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Forums › XJBikes Talk › XJ Chat › Sidecover Paint for Plastics?
Sidecover Paint for Plastics?Technical discussion ONLY for XJ Maxim/Seca...
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ChicoJim 2nd gear


Joined: Oct 24, 2009 Posts: 58 Location: Chico, CA
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:54 am Post subject: Sidecover Paint for Plastics? |
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Well, I've done a search - and maybe with the question in plain site here in the title, will make it easier for others to find.
But I want to paint the plastic sidecovers on my FJ600 (and also Honda 1000 Hurricane - but I suspect they are very close to the same plastic).
I've read that they need careful prep work and priming before painting. There are no chips or dings, I just want a smooth gloss black finish.
So I suspect: scuff the finish with like, 200-grit wet or dry, then
Prime? with what?
Then Paint? With what? Like regular old Krylon acrylic in the rattle cans?
Anybody who has done this and can recommend the Right Stuff... THANK YOU!
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iwingameover 6th gear


Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Posts: 316 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:00 am Post subject: Re: Sidecover Paint for Plastics? |
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I painted mine two years ago with rattle can rustoleum. First i filled th badge holes with bondo, sanded, primed (also rattle can) and painted. I never gave it a second thought.
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wamaxim Red Liner

Joined: Aug 08, 2008 Posts: 850 Location: Vancouver, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Sidecover Paint for Plastics? |
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Krylon has a rattle can paint line called "Fusion" designed for plastic surfaces. Supposed to bond to the plastic. They also have primer in the same line. Don't know if it works but they sure do market it well.
Loren
_________________ Current:
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bigfitz52 XJ Wizard

Joined: Jun 27, 2008 Posts: 5760 Location: Cows'n'Pigs'n'Chickens MICH
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Sidecover Paint for Plastics? |
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I wouldn't use anything as coarse as 200 grit; I'd use 1200 or MAYBE 800.
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Polock XJ Wizard

Joined: Aug 13, 2006 Posts: 2042 Location: Beaver Falls, PA
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Sidecover Paint for Plastics? |
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+1 on the 200 grit but i think maybe 400 wet then prime then paint
if you don't sand through the original paint (don't) your not painting plastic
just another layer of paint
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TIMEtoRIDE XJ Wizard

Joined: Nov 05, 2007 Posts: 1950 Location: Clermont FL
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Sidecover Paint for Plastics? |
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I agree- - if you are applying expensive automotive paint, then 800 - 1,200 grit really is needed. If you are spraying rattle can paint then there's no point in going that fine. More important is to degrease and de-wax or you get "fish eyes".
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padre 2nd gear


Joined: Dec 08, 2009 Posts: 55 Location: intersate 15
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Sidecover Paint for Plastics? |
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The choices are many, You should use self etching primer after De-waxing/ De-greasing, the grade of sandpaper also depends on weather you hand sand or machine sand. With an orbital sander you can get away with a coarser grade of sand paper than by hand. 220 for rattle cans or generic enamel, by hand is a whole different ball game. at least 400 grit wet dry. I prefer to wet sand. Enamels are thinner than water and lacquers are thinner than enamel so a finer grade sanding method is required. Rest assured that if you can feel an irregularity with your most sensitive finger tip you will see it after it is painted. Paint only changes color. It soes not hide damage.
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ChicoJim 2nd gear


Joined: Oct 24, 2009 Posts: 58 Location: Chico, CA
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Sidecover Paint for Plastics? |
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Thank you all! Great info here!
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Robert Moderator

Joined: Feb 06, 2006 Posts: 6542 Location: Ventura CA
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Sidecover Paint for Plastics? |
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I will respectfully disagree with you Padre, self-etching primer would not be a wise choice on plastic. Self-etching primer is fairly active and may cause damage to the plastic surface.
Use a plastic primer (it's designed to work on plastic after all) and only if you are making a drastic color change. Otherwise, scuff the plastic surface lightly (200 would be fine) and hit it with a few light coats. As with most consumer products, follow the manufacturer's directions. Some colors require the use of a primer (reds, yellows, and oranges come to mind).
Remember, a good paint job is 99% preparation. Clean/degrease, scuff, clean with a tack cloth, paint. And above all, take your time.
Best of luck on those side covers.
_________________ Robert
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wamaxim Red Liner

Joined: Aug 08, 2008 Posts: 850 Location: Vancouver, USA
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Sidecover Paint for Plastics? |
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Do a forum search with the following search string. "How-To do Custom Tank Paint w/ cans - pics"
Good step by step prep and paint hints. Don't use the quote signs in the search.
Loren
_________________ Current:
'01 BMW K1200 LT Miss Aubergine 7800 miles
'81 650 Maxim 14K miles
'81 Honda GL500 Silverwing Interstate 45 K miles
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Previous rides:
81 Honda GL 500 Interstate (It's back in the fold!)
78 Honda Goldwing
82 750 Virago
Late 60's Honda 305 Dream
'74 Hodaka 125 Wombat
Honda CL 160 (with snuff-or-nots)
1960's Yamaha 80 (never did fix brakes)
A Honda 65 Scrambler
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NJRIDER1 1st gear


Joined: Nov 15, 2009 Posts: 40 Location: southern, NJ
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Sidecover Paint for Plastics? |
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spray it in a "dust-free" environment...if the dust from your prep work is still flying around it will end up on your wet paint and buffing blemishes out of rattle can enamal sucks, i alway turn the heat up in the shop before painting and turn it off while spraying then it off for at least an hour after i spray to avoid airborn dust sticking to the finished product, everything shows in black paint, good luck NJrider
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1983 yamaha seca xj750 (winter project)
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1978 yamaha xs650 custom hardtail (up 4 sale)
1982 yamaha xs650 custon softail (going soon)
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1982 kawasaki kz440
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