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Forums › XJBikes Talk › XJ Chat › Another No Start
Another No StartTechnical discussion ONLY for XJ Maxim/Seca...
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mainexj550 4th gear


Joined: Apr 23, 2006 Posts: 159 Location: maine
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject: Another No Start |
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Long story short. Finally got my bike to behave and start when I wanted it to this spring. Then electrical tragedy struck and I have a brand new starting problem.
Bike will not crank the engine over. Proceeding to the incident everything worked fine. But when leaving an appointment recently it would weakly crank over and eventually gave up. Had to push start it on level ground with an audience. Awkward.
Checked battery. Charged overnight. Tried jump starting and still no good. Volt meter readings at battery, just shy of 13 after charge. Approx 10.5 while trying to crank her over.
Starting Solenoid clicks when I push the start button. I encountered a problem with this a few years ago and replaced it so its new.
Removed Starter and tried running it directly with jumper cables. It moved very slowly and sounded lame before it stopped turning over at all. Pulled it apart and the contacts were full oil and very dirty. Also looked short.
So obviously I can link this to the starter right?
Rebuild it? or source complete starter unit?
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bluepotpie Red Liner

Joined: May 30, 2007 Posts: 416 Location: Londonderry, NH
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: Another No Start |
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i would assume the starter. A rebuild should be do-able. simply cleaning it might work also.
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Robert Moderator

Joined: Feb 06, 2006 Posts: 6791 Location: Ventura CA
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Another No Start |
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+1^^ Rebuild time. Oh Chacal....
_________________ Robert
'81 XJ650H Maxim (under construction)
'81 XJ750RH Seca (ditto)
'82 XJ750RJ Seca (Almost done)
'90 FZR600AC (under destruction)
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moonfriedpotatoes 5th gear


Joined: Jun 20, 2008 Posts: 237 Location: Montana
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:45 am Post subject: Re: Another No Start |
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brake/electrical cleaner on the commutator, new brushes, new grease, should work wonders. i had the same issue and now she starts great. make sure you line everything up right, if you don't the starer could spin backwards. sharpie on the case helps.
_________________ 1981 xj 650 Maxim w. 82 xj750 motor
FINISHED:
Carbs good (not sync'ed or tuned)
Valves good + in spec
Compression good
TO-DO:
Figure out why 2+3 fire well while 1+4 misfire
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mainexj550 4th gear


Joined: Apr 23, 2006 Posts: 159 Location: maine
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:01 am Post subject: Re: Another No Start |
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Is it normal for oil to get into the section of the starter that contains the brushes? There was a lot of oil and gunk in there. I cleaned it all out recently, like 2 years ago.
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bigfitz52 XJ Wizard

Joined: Jun 27, 2008 Posts: 7162 Location: Cows'n'Pigs'n'Chickens MICH
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Another No Start |
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Depends on your definition of "normal." I assume based on your username we're talking about a 550. What year and more importantly, how many miles are on it?
(Add your bike info to your sig and save us asking next time.)
_________________ '81 XJ550RH Seca- Recommissioned original classic daily rider; 26K miles- stock except bars, seat, shocks and SS brake lines.
'83 XJ550RK Seca- "Toxic Asset"; 10K miles- restored, modernized and personalized (nearly stock)
'82 XJ650RJ Seca- 13K miles and rough. Slowly undergoing resurrection
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mainexj550 4th gear


Joined: Apr 23, 2006 Posts: 159 Location: maine
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Another No Start |
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Its an 82 Maxim 550
Somewhere around 32k
Is there a seal that prevents oil from finding its way into the starter? I was looking at the rebuild parts available from Chacal and didn't notice any seals for that.
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mainexj550 4th gear


Joined: Apr 23, 2006 Posts: 159 Location: maine
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Another No Start |
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cleaned the inside of the starter and turned the armature on the lathe. WOW, bike starts instantly now. It used to take the engine a few rotations before it would start but now instant on.
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mainexj550 4th gear


Joined: Apr 23, 2006 Posts: 159 Location: maine
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Another No Start |
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ordered a complete starter rebuild kit off ebay and installed it today.
Answer to my own question.
Yes there is a seal. A bearing followed by an oil seal located just inside the starter case near the starter output gear prevent oil from entering the starter.
_________________ 1982 xj 750 Seca 3K |
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