downloadible repair manual

Hey guys its Rudedog form the dirty south.

Does anyone out there know a site where I can dl a repair manual for my 82 xj550?

 

sorry man go purchase one like everyone else. a dowloadable one would be a copyright violation.

 

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Welcome to the forums.

There's a used Clymer version on Amazon right now for $20, I think new they're $35 or so? Yea unfortunately downloading em is frowned upon, and for good reason too.

Where in the dirty south are ya man?

 

F - them they got there money when the bike was purchased by the dealer from the factory, IMO they owe us all manual's how ever I found a place where you can get the crappy Haynes manual
http://www.torrentreactor.net/torrents/ ... J750-Fours

and here is one that only cost 8.99 USD

http://www.tradebit.com/filedetail.php/ ... e-workshop

however it would be nice if somebody would just posted one on an sticky for every body to use

 

Louisville ky

 

There's an XJ550 factory book on eBay right now for $9.99 but I don't know if it has the Maxim supplement; there are also a couple of "retail" bound factory books up that WOULD include the Max supplement for slightly more. You didn't say which XJ550.

Nobody is going to help you violate copyright law for one basic reason: Most of us spent some $$$ on our factory books, or our aftermarket ones for that matter.

Look on the bright side: The factory book for my CAR was $108.00.

 

the torrentreactor one if you noticed is for 650 and 750 only. it's the one i have.

 

If it ever comes to pass, that the contents of the XJCD Set is presented to a Judge as evidence against those to whom Members of this site have sent money to acquire a Copy of the aforementioned Compact Disc Set, ...

Somebody is going to be found GUILTY of NUMEROUS VIOLATIONS of a Federal Class "A" Felony.

Multiple Counts of Violating a Publishers Copyright.
Not just for a single complete Manual for which the penalty is a $5,000 Fine for each infraction.
But, for the more serious Criminal Enterprise for Profit Violation which treats
each violation of Multiple Infringement over Five Publications as a separate count of the Indictment.

Requiring penalty reimbursement to the Publisher, a huge fine and a long time in stir.

 

If someone wants to email me a copy i'll put it up on my server so people can have access to the materials for "educational" purposes only.

djdaedulus at gmail dot com

 

if that desperate, 20 min on google you will find it and not possibly KILL this forum with legal problems...

and people with less than 6 posts should not be trying to condone/post/suggest illegal stuff on this forum :twisted:

 

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Okay, the gloves just came off.

You're just not going to leave it alone, are you, Rick? You're not going to be satisfied until someone gets dragged into court and/or jailed. What is it with you? Didn't SnoSheriff discuss this with you YET AGAIN?

You've got moderator powers, yet it doesn't seem like that's enough for you. You don't just want people to respect and look up to you -- you want people to FEAR you. You're the angry nun whacking the kids across their knuckles with a ruler, telling them they'll go to hell unless they do what YOU tell them to.

The last time you did this, I took a week off from the site because I didn't feel like putting up with your bullshit. I can do it again.

I'll be sending another complaint to Sno as soon as I finish typing this in, then I'm out of here. Somebody call me when Rick's been booted off the site, k?

 

Taking any measure to contribute to an illegal activity is "Complicity".

The state of being involved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing.

IF anything, my contributions and editorializing about matters involving Copyright Infringement will be viewed as the site's Official Position of not condoning the activity of those who engage in piracy.

Sept. 7th 2010
RE Massey

 

I'm confused, I agree with Rick. I've always wondered how the XJCD thing hadn't been shutdown yet.

It is a copyright infringement.

No matter how you look at it.

Or am i missing something?

 

so OK now I have 6 post R U happy. oh BTW this site has the "COMPLETE Service Manual for Yamaha XJ750 XJ750K XJ 750 MOTORCYCLE. This is the same manual your YAMAHA Motorcycle shop uses to repair and diagnose your bike!!!" or so they say and it is only 8.99 and it is down loadable.so here is that link again http://www.tradebit.com/filedetail.php/ ... e-workshop

PS., IMO all manuals and TSB's (tech service bulletins ) need be provided by the factory's for free. we paid for the vehicles and there hording of information denies us of the right to know what it is we bought. as well as problems that we are going to face in the future. However in respect to owners of this forum I will refrain from posting links to sites where you can get real info for free

 

Umm, I'm really not trying to stick my head out there where it might get chopped off, but, Rick is doing his job as a Moderator, making sure no one does something stupid enough to get themselves or the site in SERIOUS trouble.

With that said, there are ways to get your manual for free, as I did, with a little leg work on your part. That's the great thing about this thing we call the World Wide Web.

As for schmucaholic, get over yourself.

 

If new vehicle owners did in fact pay for documentation when they purchased the vehicle, the documentation would have been delivered with the vehicle.
Most vehicle owners have no use for such a technical documentation and do not expect it as standard equipment. All new vehicle purchasers should not be forced to pay for something (technical documentation as standard equipment) that only a few use.

There are many aftermarket service manuals that would certainly not be a purchase right to the new vehicle owner.

Distributing of and obtaining via illegal means copyright material is theft. You would not want others taking your labor for free. Saints are rare. We have all likely at some point taken something we should have paid for. But an elitist attitude of deserving while you are if fact stealing, is to be naive.

 

For all intents and purposes copyright laws do not apply to educational studies. hence the library in your local city might be charged with public display of copyrighted materials. :evil:

 

I like libraries. They are a great source of education using legitimately obtained works.
Copyright protects works from illegal copying. Can you see how they made it easy by making ‘copy’ part of the term copyright? That’s all it takes for most people to understand.

 

"Because we have the technology", ... does not give you license.

 

In theory, by our minds making a mental copy of licensed material, and then in turn sharing that information verbatim, are we not "in essence" performing an act of infringement?

If you read a book, and tell a friend the plot and outcome of that book, have you not basically prevented another sale of that book due to your ability to reveal the outcome?

In turn, if you have knowledge of material that has a copywrite, yet verbally pass that information along, have you committed a crime?

Where is the line drawn? If you supply information whether verbally, or printed, that has been obtained via material the has a copywrite, as long as it is not done in order to make a profit, have you broken the law?

Is the small fraction of people actually attempting to obtain this material on a bike that is 25+ years old going to shut down Yamaha's manufacturing plants? Or rather spawn new interest of the company itself, possibly furthering interest and sales due to the ability to acquire information to properly repair/maintain this machine?


It's a good thing the Bible doesn't have a copy write, or there would be a bunch of priests in prison...

 

The Law takes in to account "How much" of the Material protected by Copyright is used.

Normally, ""Quoted."" Or Indexed. Or placed in italics."

The terms: Fair Use and Educational are applied when the Material is used in Good Faith.

 

GIRLS, GIRLS, Please... chill out - Lets all go for a ride!!!

 

Ok thanks for all the people, that commented on my request, both good and bad.

But lets get one thing straight.

I DID NOT. I REPEAT. DID NOT ASK FOR ANYTHING ILLEAGLE. I SIMPLY ASKED IF THERE WAS A MANUAL THAT WAS AVAILIBLE TO DOWNLOAD.

With that said can we all wrench and be happy?

 

It seems to have been suggested that the "XJCD" set of information is a possible violation of copyright infringement.

Then why is it promoted here as a the first sticky under the "XJ Chat" forum ?

Just curious.....

 

I know right?

 

A wise man once told me: "Buy the service manual. It'll pay for itself the first time you use it."

That works for me.

 

I own factory service manuals for every car & motorcycle I own & they are worth their weight in gold. Absolutely agree with your statement that they pay for themselves the first time you use them......

But the Haynes or Clymer manuals are junk for bikes......only factory service are descent......& even those are riddled with errors.....

Let the buyer beware.....

 

I don't think the Site Owner is aware that the XJCD Set is such a Flagrant Violation of the Copyright Laws of The United States.

Further, the XJCD "Seller" has some lame excuse for why he thinks that what he has done is not outside of the Laws.

The XJCD Set "Seller" has rationalized his actions and quotes International Law not pertaining to United States Statutes, and tries to convince others that what he is doing is well within his rights.

Personally, I think he knows full-well what a Fraud he is perpetuating and
will continue to profit from his business until enjoined or prosecuted.

 

breaker breaker, good buddy
Do you copy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfGgorajsro

Copyright have expirations (about 100 years).
BTW – Bibles can have copyrights
http://www.holybibletrivia.org/display/ ... =copyright

 

but if you change a couple letters in the manual wouldn't that be considered not a good holding on the original works for the copyright to adhere to ?

 

A copyright is protection of authorship (expression of an idea). It does not protect the idea itself (that would be a patent).

So while you cannot quote the Yamaha manual verbatim you can describe accomplishing the same task in your own words. That is why Clymer and Haynes can also publish service manuals that pretty much describe the same tasks.

Going to the library, memorizing the manual with your photographic memory, and writing it out again verbatim would still infringe the copyright.

Changing a few words would not protect you from a copyright violation. You only own it if it is an original creation, not a doctored copy.

Scanning something to a .pdf and posting it on the internet or on a CD also violates the copyright (unless you have the copyright holders permission).

Telling someone the plot of a book would not be a copyright violation. It's not the idea (plot) that the copyright protects but the expression of the idea (the words used).

When you purchase a book you are free to resell it or lend it to a friend. The same applies to the Library. What the library cannot do is copy it so they have multiple copies to lend. I think there might also be problems if the book were let for rent.

Rick is absolutely correct - If the publishers of the XJ CD do not have permission from the copyright holders they are in violation of the copyright. If the copyright holders decided to enforce their rights there could be some pretty stiff penalties. There have been cases where music copyright owners got substantial judgments against people who had downloaded unauthorized copies.

People who create things (inventors, musicians, authors, artists etc.) have a right to be rewarded for their efforts. Using their creations without compensating them (by acquiring through an authorized channel) is no different than going into their houses and taking money from their wallets.

Information from the U. S. Copyright Office.

 

is it even possible to buy a brand new shop manual for these bikes from yamaha ?

 

Do you think that Yamaha really cares about this or not ? I don't think so.......I am sure they are fully aware of this site & the postings to it......or the promotion of certain reference material.

I would think & again it is just a supposition on my part that Yamaha would be happy for us Yamaha enthusiasts that want to restore 25+ year old bikes. They would rather us buy a new new I am sure but are happy that we still believe in their product & promote it......

So a little historical reference information here & there, will not hurt their deep pockets. I still am a believer in factory service manuals that are obtain legally.....but the XJCD CD set I think they could care less about.

Just my thoughts.

 

i thnk the question is does the copy write laws still hold for this since some are set at 28 years then become public domain while others last for up to 120 years all counts to country its writen in and if it was a for writing that was hired or writen by the owner by my researce i think it falls with in the 28 years limit

 

I just bought my manual for 8.99. I can use it somewhat but a little hard to see the pics which I really need. I agree that the owners manual should be free to download but not the repair manual. Any idea where I can get the owners manual?

 

do a google search. they are out there.

there are some downloadable ones too for a cheaper price. i found a sight for $7.99 but i can't vouch for there authenticity. and you do need software to read it.

 

Yes. It's also possible to buy legitimately marketed retail copies of the Yamaha book, from online book sellers or from eBay for that matter.

I got my 650 Seca/650 base book, the real Yamaha "Lit" part number, from an online retailer. It's the genuine Yamaha softbound retail version.

 

Do you really think that Yamaha cares about this??

No

other wise there would be forums being proeicuted all over the world


the copy right laws are there to stop the mas production of thousands of copys and selling them. not to stop a few bikers from getting some info that they need.

I dont think they want to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on lawyers to get a few people that they make money out of.

we all buy parts from Yamaha, Wether we like it or not. it happens.

they will still make money out one single manual that has been sold over and over again as we all will end up back there at some stage to buy parts.

get over it.

but im sure the people being bitchy about this also sit at home watch a program they know they dont like just to find something to complain about. turn it off or change channel for fooks sake

this is the first forum that i have been on that behaves like this. all other forums i have been on have links to free downloads and some specific bike forums even have them on the server.

get over yourselves go have a smoke, beer, bong, shag, ride. what ever it takes and chill out.

 

at the end of the day the site owner and mods are responsible for this site... end of.

i am neither of the above.. so I can say happily that I respect this... if there was a law suite it would be them who gets in trouble.. NOT the active users!!!

I know this REALLY well as I own another site and we have to delete tons of stuff from spammers/ porn racism copy right restrictions etc... so end of the day..... its said and done

if we dont like it we move on.. BUT there is no harm in someone sending it to you via email or pm... thats between you and them and then out of the site owners hands.... and I am NOT saying you should do any of this.. cough cough splutter splutter... wink wink.. nod nod.. do you get my drift yet!!!

 

Yea... or you can be like me and get taken for a ride on ebay... i paid for a BOOK... i got a bunch of PDF's on a CDR... at least i tried to avoid copywright infringement...

 

Have looked and all the torrant links all go back to the same file and its not being seeded.

if any one wants to email me a copy of the PDF i would say thank you very much.

PM me if any one can help out.

 

Now that IS funny Brocky! :lol: :lol:

 

That is where you would be mistaken. You are right that this behavior occurs on other sites and is tolerated there but we have a responsibility to do the right thing even if our neighbors aren't. It is called integrity, grownups have it.

I can't speak about this but we don't care to be the first example, ergo part of our forum rules forbid this. If you don't like the rules, there's the door.

On this you and I agree.

On this we do not agree. I spent years ensuring that the rights of others were not infringed upon (including yours) and I’m not about to give up a principled existence simply to go with the flow. It takes courage to face unpopular decisions, the weak give in.

I assure you I watch VERY little programming, most of what is available is useless drivel. I spend the bulk of my time in school, with my family and my bikes. I choose not to fill my head with nonsense watching some other humans parading about trying to influence my outlook on life. Bah! There are far better things to fill my life with. I encourage others to do the same. Perhaps your opinion is a bit presumptuous but I do see the “grain of truth” in your statement. Armchair quarterbacks aren’t my favorite bunch of people either.

Well good for them, I’m still not convinced this is the right thing to do here. We are generally a responsible bunch here, we tend to encourage walking on the straight and narrow and I don’t see that changing.

I’ll take that ride thank you very much.
I won’t pretend that I don’t have pirated stuff (in-laws think it’s ok too, it’s a very Brazilian thing apparently) but anything we get that we like, we buy legally. What we don’t we chuck. I’d love for a free sample period be offered just to try things out and see if they fit/work. All major software companies do this since control is easily programmed in. I hope we will see similar options for printed materials in the future. I will comment that the perceived “cost” of legal materials seems high but the practical knowledge and cost savings in not breaking parts or ruining things more than pays the offset.

 

Just because you have the technology does not make it right.
Downloading a Copyrighted work (the whole work) is a crime.

Brokzila: You seem to want your way no matter what. But, your a crook.
This site tries not to promote activity which is Illegal.
There are some, like you, who think they can do as they please ... even if its outside the Law.

For the most part, this Site remains "Honorable".

As folks come-in and encourage others to dismiss the rights of Copyright Holder, I usually raise hell and remind them that wholesale violations of copying someones protected literature is a Crime.

We can do without Criminals.

If you do not hold a License to distribute material protected by Law; you're a Felon.

Quit trying to attach innocent-sounding rationale to the issue.

 

This is really a silly and quite funny thread.

The same people upset over someone violating Copyright laws
will happily advise the members to violate fed EPA imissions laws
and tell you to go ahead and drill off the pilot screw caps on their
carbs! what a joke.

If your going to stand the high moral ground-then stand with honor,
not hypocrisy.

The caps were placed there for the one and only reason of keeping
us,as private owners from tampering with the fatory settings.

IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO TAKE THEM OFF!!

So get over the XJCD!

 

its no illegal to tamper with them over here in england!

 

Really? Well, I guess thats because we may have a couple
more vehicals overall on our roads then you guys across the
pond (lol).

Not only that, but, the very famous and idiotic gov of california
has desided (I beleave on the same day) to drop the fine
for marijauna to a traffic ticket-then outlawing after market
mufflers on 2013 and newer bikes-not cars or trucks-only bikes
unless they have a EPA approved stamp (it's been on the fed. books
since the 1970's but unenforcible by local cops being a federal matter).

So go ahead and drive stoned!! just do it on a quiet bike!

 

Hey, Parts;

You are WAY off base.

Number 1. It is NOT against the Law to remove the Anti-tamper Plugs. Those Plugs are there to prevent inexperienced people from making adjustments without knowing what they are doing.

Having the Plugs IN means you Bike probably did NOT get the Dealership's Customer Satisfaction Tuning at 5,000 Miles.

It's NOT against the Law to remove them. It's Stupid; NOT too.

And then you say: "Get-off the XJ-CD"

The work of Organized Criminals. The most flagrant example of Copyright Infringement that there is in circulation.
Those Felons didn't stop at Violating the Copyright of a single published work which they reproduced and distributed.
No. They kept-on violating the Copyrights of MULTIPLE Volumes and reproduced as many complete work as they could assemble. Along with accompanying material form books and magazines that hold All Rights Reserved. And, they charge money and use the Mails for their Criminal enterprise.

So bold are the distributors of the XJ-CD that they have reproduced entire volumes, ... including Cover Art and Company Logos.

But, examine their work very closely and you will discover that they cannot claim "Fair Use" or "For Educational Purpose" or state they did NOT intend to break the Law, ... Because they purposefully DELETED PAGE-2 from their
Illegally Copied Manuals.

Page-2 is the page which contains NO OTHER TEXT or ILLUSTRATIONS above the Stand-Alone Notice of Copyright and Reservations of ALL Rights Reserved by the Publisher!!

The Collection of Yamaha Workshop Service Manuals available for purchase on a Set of CD's, known as the XJ-CD, is the willful, multiple violation of Yamaha Motors Corp. Copyright, distributed by Lawbreaking Frauds who have committed a Federal Offense for which they deserve to be prosecuted and punished.

 

^^Here here Parts!
Incidently, it isn't illegal for the owner/mechanic of a bike to remove the caps and tweak their carbs to correct an air/fuel deficiency. It does get dirty in there and require appropriate cleaning (this is why the replacement caps are in the rebuild kit). It is illegal to modify the intended settings (i.e. richen up the mixture for power). The devil is in the details and intent is the basis of prosecution. I, however have never heard of anyone being nailed for this (I think it has something to do with the federal/local issue you mentioned).

 

Robert.
When I researched this point the EPA only states the illegality
of tampering. However I'm just as sure you must be right reguarding a qualified mechanics right to remove and adjust to factory spec's.
My thinking is that the caps are included because the pilot ass'y may need replacement.

But thank you for your support in the gen issue at hand. I guess I'm one of those anal retentive types that beleave if you tell some one that what their doing in illegal-don't at the same time advise them to do something that is also illegal.

Don't get my wrong, I have the highest respect and admiration for the guru's on this site. they have great knowlege and skill on these xj's.
Far more then I.
But,hypocrisy is hypocrisy and I'll call it out when I see it.

I'm a board member of a state wide motorcycle safety and rights org,and have to deal with the state gov's hypocrisy every week and can get carried away at times.

Ron