1. Some members were not receiving emails sent from XJbikes.com. For example: "Forgot your password?" function to reset your password would not send email to some members. I believe this has been resolved now. Please use "Contact Us" form (see page footer link) if you still have email issues. SnoSheriff

    Hello Guest. You have limited privileges and you can't "SEARCH" the forums. Please "Log In" or "Sign Up" for additional functionality. Click HERE to proceed.

Bleeding brakes grrr!!!!

Discussion in 'XJ Technical Chat' started by Evan Hawtrey, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. Evan Hawtrey

    Evan Hawtrey Member

    Messages:
    140
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Green bay wisconsin
    i have an 82 seca 750.. I have rebuilt master cylinder and calipers already.. I replaced brake lines today and tried bleeding with my mytyvac .. I can’t get any pressure to build up.. the reservoir is full.. i Teflon taped the bleeder screws.. I really don’t know what else to do.. I’m kind of just trying to donit on my own.. rather than pay someone.. any tips would be greatly appreciated
     
  2. Evan Hawtrey

    Evan Hawtrey Member

    Messages:
    140
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Green bay wisconsin
    What about blowing fluid up from bleeders to master? Or is that dumb
     
  3. XJ550H

    XJ550H Well-Known Member Premium Member

    Messages:
    13,199
    Likes Received:
    3,861
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Great North Woods
    do a search this is a very common topic for the 750
     
  4. XJ550H

    XJ550H Well-Known Member Premium Member

    Messages:
    13,199
    Likes Received:
    3,861
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Great North Woods
  5. k-moe

    k-moe Pie, Bacon, Bourbon. Moderator Premium Member

    Messages:
    19,647
    Likes Received:
    6,755
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    The City of Seven Hills
    What I do to bleed the system.
    1. get a large syringe from a farm store and about a foot of vinyl tubing (you can also use a 2-stroke oil mixing syringe).

    2. Cut 6" of tubing and attach that to the end of the syringe. Remove the Syringe plunger. You now have a funnel to fill the master cylinder with.

    3. Break loose all four bleed fittings (be sure to put down cat litter or drip pans).

    4. Tie the brake lever to the grip.

    5. Fill the master cylinder and syringe.

    6. Wait overnight (or at least a few hours)

    7. You should now see brake fluid coming out. Close the bleeders, and untie the brake lever.

    8. Bleed the brakes as normal, starting with the anti-dive bleeders, then the brake caliper bleeders. Remove the funnel.

    9. You aren't done yet. There will still be some air in the system. The next step cures that, no matter what method you use to fill and bleed the system.

    10. Use a vibratory sander (no sanding pad) and slowly run it along the brake lines, calipers, and distribution block from bottom to top. This will move any remaining air bubbles up into the master cylinder. Tap (or vibrate) the master cylinder to get the air bubbles to come out of the return hole. This process can also be done with a box-end wrench or other similar tool, and tapping the calipers and lines (it just takes longer).

    11. Do one final bleed normally, just to be certain that the calipers are fully bled.

    12. Use a flashlight to check the fuid level in the master cylinder. It should be below the fill neck. Unfortunately there is no dip-stick or sight glass on this master cylinder, so unless you empty it and measure out the fluid you will need to just eyeball it. If the fluid level is too high the brakes can hydrolock and not release.
     
  6. Evan Hawtrey

    Evan Hawtrey Member

    Messages:
    140
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Green bay wisconsin
    So I did the gravity method last night.. nothing seemed to have came out of bleeders.. I popped the brake lines and on one side I had fluid the other side I didn’t
     
  7. Evan Hawtrey

    Evan Hawtrey Member

    Messages:
    140
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Green bay wisconsin
    I get no pressure when using mytyvac .. I Teflon taped bleeders
     
  8. Jetfixer

    Jetfixer Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,191
    Likes Received:
    1,501
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Nothern Indiana
    Brake fluid and Teflon tape do not mix suggest you remove the tape.
     
    Craig B likes this.
  9. Polock

    Polock Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    9,751
    Likes Received:
    2,097
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Beaver Falls, PA
    i beg to differ on that one. and if you put it on the threads where your supposed to it won't be in any brake fluid when your done
     
    Evan Hawtrey and k-moe like this.
  10. k-moe

    k-moe Pie, Bacon, Bourbon. Moderator Premium Member

    Messages:
    19,647
    Likes Received:
    6,755
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    The City of Seven Hills
    When you rebuilt the master cylinder, were you careful to orient the piston seal correctly?
    Did you check the cable adjustment to be sure that the piston is getting a full throw?
    Was the return port cleaned?
    Was the bore polished?


    Moving to the other end of the system:
    Were the anti-dive units cleaned?
     
  11. Evan Hawtrey

    Evan Hawtrey Member

    Messages:
    140
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Green bay wisconsin
    How do I clean anti dive system?
     
  12. Evan Hawtrey

    Evan Hawtrey Member

    Messages:
    140
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Green bay wisconsin
    And not super sure what you mean by cable adjustment.. I’m sorry I’m a novice trying to make this Bike cool again
     
  13. k-moe

    k-moe Pie, Bacon, Bourbon. Moderator Premium Member

    Messages:
    19,647
    Likes Received:
    6,755
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    The City of Seven Hills
    On the Seca 750 the master cylinder is cable operated, unlike most master cylinders (assuming that you still have the original, hidden master cylinder). There is an adjustment knob on the brake lever, just like there is for the clutch cable on the clutch lever.

    The anti-dive is part of fork refurbishment. The brake fluid side of the system can't be fully cleaned without removing the unit from the fork, but you can blast brake system cleaner through the bleeder with the brake line removed to make sure the majority if any gunk is out of it. One of my concerns is that you might have some schmoo that still in the system, and got sucked up into the master cylinder, or otherwise is blocking a line.

    doing-the-750-secas-forks-rebuild-now-a-how-to.18730
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2018
  14. Evan Hawtrey

    Evan Hawtrey Member

    Messages:
    140
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Green bay wisconsin
    How about the brake cable adjustment? What am I looking for?
     
  15. k-moe

    k-moe Pie, Bacon, Bourbon. Moderator Premium Member

    Messages:
    19,647
    Likes Received:
    6,755
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    The City of Seven Hills
    You'll want to turn the adjusting knob until there is just about 2mm of slack when you pull on the brake lever.
     
  16. XJ550H

    XJ550H Well-Known Member Premium Member

    Messages:
    13,199
    Likes Received:
    3,861
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Great North Woods

Share This Page