Help -> I'm having Title issues ... you can also make fun

New guy here, sorry for the long post but I'm hoping someone on here is more experienced with this stuff than I.

After the MSF course I rode around on an incredibly small and uncomfortable Ninja 250 because they are 'the' learner bikes. Me and my friend looked at alot of new bikes and he bought a Daytona 675 but the crotch rockets were to uncomfortable and the big cruisers were to big and heavy. Well I started looking at the old light inline four cruisers and they seemed perfect. So I jumped on craigslist found an '82 XJ650 in great shape and it seemed perfect.

It had "non highway" on the title due to a wreck. The guy i was buying it from said he had fixed everything and I just needed to get it inspected. Well great I'm thinking, I've had every car i bought in Missouri, I'm from Kansas, inspected so no big deal.

The other odd thing was the original owner sold it to a guy who didn't so anything with it, he signed it off to the guy I bought it from, who fixed it signed it off to me. There's space for all that on the back but the the last two spaces say dealer only or some such thing. They said they had done the same thing with a couple other bikes and hadn't heard back from there owners so it should be fine, this mirrored a similar experience I had with my truck where the dude signed it off to me as the second and had no problems, so I went ahead and bought it $1285 cash.

Anyway I took it to the vehicle inspection station and they scared me pretty good. The lady there was incredibly rude and had a great time telling me that the original buyer had to title it and sign it over to the guy who i bought it from, then he had to title it and remove the 'non-highway' classification since he did the repairs, then title it over to me. She also mentioned she hoped he had receipts for everything to prove he fixed it with non-stolen parts. That all seems a little outrageous to me ... do you think she was just on a power trip?

Anyway I sent an email to the people I bought it from this morning and haven't heard back. Also tried to leave a message but there answering machine was full ... Anyone been in this situation before? any suggestions or opinions?

 

wow, that is about the most retarted thing ive ever heard, should have elt a man inspect it, then you wouldnt get the b!tchyness, yup. but ixed wiht non stolen parts? thats near impossible to prove..

 

Yep, I'm thinking of taking it to the local inspection station next, there only open Tuesday and Thursday hence the drive. I don't buy that part about the receipts and hopefully they'll at least be helpful.

 

Here is what the Kansas DMV web site says

Salvage Title Branding

A salvage vehicle will always reflect its salvage history on the title. If you buy a vehicle that is being sold as salvage, and have made the necessary repairs, you may apply to have the vehicle titled. The new title will change from the "salvage" status to a "rebuilt salvage" status.
Which Vehicles Need Inspections?

These vehicles require inspection before they may be reclaimed from salvage status:

* Vehicles with out of state titles

* Out-of-state salvage vehicles being put back to highway status

* Kansas non-highway-titled vehicles being put back to highway status

What Should You Bring?

* Vehicle to be inspected

* Vehicle's title

* Your valid driver's license

* Inspection fee

* Proof of insurance

* If a salvage vehicle, all receipts for major component parts or photocopy of title of the vehicle from which the parts were sold

Titling a Rebuilt Salvaged Vehicle

Once the vehicle has been repaired and inspected, and has received the "rebuilt salvage" status by the Kansas Highway Patrol, take the MVE-1 inspection document, along with the title and your proof of insurance, to your local county treasurer to have it titled.


It appears you do need receipts. And we wouldn't make fun of you. I am considering a salvage bike but need to research what I need to do. Hopefully you can get the owner and others to cooperate with what you need. Otherwise you can apply for a quit title (interestingly the Kansas DMV web site calls it a quiet title)

 

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Good luck.
Red Tape is something a high-ranking Politician can help you cut through.
I'd send-off a leter to your local Ch. of Police.
Can't hurt.

 

Too funny Rick!

 

in indiana if you buy a vehicle without a title all you have to do is take the vehicle to the local license branch with a bill of sale, proof of insurance, and have them verify the vin number to check for stolen status, verify the odometer reading, then fill out an application of title. the title year will be the year that you filed for the title, the the model year will be the year of the vehicle. it usually takes a few minutes for the vin check to return, and about 4-6 weeks to get your new title in the mail.

 

I searched google for 'quit title' and was directed to the wikipedia page for quiet title:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_title

 

Interesting - I assumed it was a typo. Strange term but the law is full of them, which is why we have lawyers.

 

I appreciate the comments and help guy's. I'm guessing the guy's I bought it from are out due to the holiday tomorrow. I'll try and get hold of them and the guy they bought it from.

If that doesn't work I'll try to get my money back ... failing that I'll see where this goes ... next one I buy all t's are crossed and i's dotted.

 

Re: Help -> I'm having Title issues ... you can also make fu

suggestions?

be polite and ready to please. they are on a power trip and you have to jump through hoops.

they try to weed out the people who are not savvy

 

If you want to mess with them (DMV) you could go this route:

http://www.svpvril.com/vehicle.html

 

Re: Help -> I'm having Title issues ... you can also make fu

I think you're all right, Bill said it.
These vehicles require inspection before they may be reclaimed from salvage status:
* Out-of-state salvage vehicles being put back to highway status

* Kansas non-highway-titled vehicles being put back to highway status

* If a salvage vehicle, all receipts for major component parts or photocopy of title of the vehicle from which the parts were sold
Take it to the inspection station, how are they going to know what was replaced.
Tell them it was all non major components.
A bike can be totaled for fiberglass damage depending on the age.
My buddys brand new Triumph cost $1500 for fiberglass when it fell over during transport.
That price would total alot of rides.

@Chacal
hahahaha

What the government really feels.

 

I'm so glad NH doesn't title vehicles over 15 yrs old!!

 

Sounds like you live in NY. Titling is extremely strict here. I had to jump through hoops a couple years ago for a 72 honda. Story.....original owner sold it, he sold, then they sold it, he sold it, through three more owners, I bought it and it came with bills of sale from everyone to everyone, including original title signed over to second owner. I couldn't do ANYTHING until I could get one or the other of the two people written on the title. Two years and a gazillion phone calls later, I got a affidavit and copy of the second owner's license. Finally I could go to DMV and get a new title with his name AND my name on it. At least only one signature is needed to sell, so I could finally sell it with a title, and now the current owner has the bike and a title with only his name on it. Good thing I know someone at DMV who was able to at least help this to work out.

Currently, I'm working on two other bikes, one has no title since the elderly owner passed away, and there's no next of kin to sign off. The other has a title floating out in NY-space somewhere, I just can't track it down yet. Soon I'll have to jump through DMV hoops againl. Grrr.

Don't worry about the inspection for stolen parts. Our bikes don't have enough corresponding numbers to be concerned about. That pertains basically to newer bikes that have matching numbers on frame/engine/drivetrain parts. SOME now have the matching number on forks, too. I'm going through that process with a 99 Suzuki Intruder 1500 wreck that I picked up in July. I only need forks and fender, but have to keep receipts AND jump through NY DMV inspection. So far, the hardest part is finding replacement forks w/o buying brand new ( and I WON'T do THAT at $500.00 per side)

Best wishes

dave

 

Wow,

After this thread, I can't imagine myself buying a bike without a title except to use it for parts. I have too many other priorities to try and run that gauntlet.

 

What a bummer. If the old owner won't give you your cash back I guess you need to part it out and see if you can recoupe your money that way. No Title ------ it becomes parts and the frame gets sent off to the scrapper. Then goes to China to be made into an item at harbor freight salvage.

 

I want to ride the Motorcycle I bought.
OK, just bring the Title in and get some plates.
That's all I need to do.
Yes.
Just bring in the Title?
Yes.
But, I don''t have a Title.
Then, you need one.
How do I get one.
You bring the Title in and they give it to you.
I have to have give them a Title and they give it back.
Exactly.
Where do I go to get a Title?
In that office. The Title office.
They have them in there?
Yes, they do.
They'll give me one?
If you give them one?
This is Crazy?
Yes, it is. You have to be Crazy or you won't get a Title?
How will they know I'm Crazy?
If you go in there without a Title; you're crazy!
What if I go in there with a Title?
That would be crazy. You'd already have a Title and wouldn't need one.
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LOL too funny Rick mostly because it is the "logic" employed my most states DMVs

 

Boy do I love just needing a bill of sale with the VIN on it. This title crap you guys seem to go thru would drive me absolutely batty.

 

It makes life interesting.

I went to title my first boat trailer (boat title is optional in NC but trailer has to be titled - go figure). So they have signs everywhere that you have to have a signed statement that the vehicle to be titled has never been flooded - no exceptions (this was a new rule). This made me a bit nervous as that is kind of the point of a boat trailer. I wound up not having any issues but I could just see myself arguing the point with one of the less than helpful staff

 

when i bought my maxim i lost the bill of sale and my bike hadn't been registered in alberta for at least five years so i wrote my self a new bill and got my buddy to sign it as the seller when to regristries and *poof* like magic i had a legally registered bike! i feel for you having to jump through so many hoops but i hope it all works out for you, being a non U.S resident I don't know but have you checked to see if maybe one of your neigbouring states has more relaxed laws you could title it somewhere esle and them bring it back to your home state? it used to work between B.C and Alberta just title it somewhere that has no record of it then bring it back with an out of state title? or maybe imjust talking out of my ass!

 

In PA, no title no tags, you can provide all the bill of sale you want they will not honor that.
It is definitely not worth the hassle or the time to purchase a cycle w/o a title especially if you have plans to put a license tag on it.
You can go on line an and get a title from a title company, average cost I heard is around $150-200 then after that you still have to transfer it to your state title, it is a hassle.

 

I'm having a similar issues with a suzuki I just picked up (gr650 in the "other motorcycles forum") The first lady i talked to at the DMV said, take it back to Illinois and file for a title and have the previous owner go with you. I live in Utah, I don't want to go back to Il, and I can't contact the previous owner. Another woman there over heard the conversation, she asked how old the bike was (83) and how much I paid (200) and said don't worry about it. She gave me a few forms to fill out, said take 2 pictures one of the bike and one of the vin and then have an officer stop by and sign another form, with the photos in hand. Then I can bring that all in and they will begin the process and get me a title. That night I was relaying the conversation to a friend who said he knows of a title search company that will issue me a new title in any state for around $75 provided the bike isn't stolen. So I haven't done anything about it, but tomorrow I will call my buddy up and ask for the info and hopefully relay you some info that might help you get around this issue.
I hope my bike wasn't stolen, I hope the PO just rode it like was.