Best Place 2Buy Petcock Kit?

Hey everyone-
I've spent 2 hours searching the site for a good source for a petcock kit- so I'll be the first just to come right out and ask....

Where do you suggest I should order a petcock rebuild kit?

Mine is leaking fuel when in the on position (all over the side of the bike) and has backed up fuel into the crankcase- so now I have to change the oil too. It may also be leaking into the carbs in the on position without vacuum- so it's toast.

Please post where you ordered your kits, and whether or not you were happy with them. Thanks in advance! -John

 

Try www.oldbikebarn.com. I think they have them for around $34. I need one myself. I'm not sure about how to get the disc and white plastic piece seperated from mine or if that comes with the kit. (86 maxim x)

 

Hi.

I bought a K&L petcock repair kit from Sirius Consolidated and was not at all impressed either with the kit, much of which did not fit, or with the way my complaint was dealt with.

Mick Fahey.

 

I've seen them on e-bay and wondered if they were any good. Thanks for removing my doubt.

 

I bought the kit two weeks ago from Sirius, via ebay and Paypal... still no sign of it though.

I'm in Ireland, and on the same day I ordered other stuff from both Canada and US, all of which has arrived ages ago.

 

that's not good to hear. i got a k&l kit off of ebay a week ago and no sign of it. maybe i'll get lucky

 

OK then, ebay is out. Any other recommendations besides oldbikebarn?

 

got my kit. took the petcock apart and i've got no spring in there. an ideas on a spring to use?

 

Don't quote me on this, but I think that I saw a post in here that referred to some sort of a spring out of pen that someone used. You might try doing a seach... Is this the K&L kit people keep complaining about?

Has anyone ordered a kit and been happy with it?

 

My K&L kit came last Friday. The vacuum membranes are a bit thin, but seem so far to be useable.

After 15 minutes of use I had to dismantle the whole thing, my mistake. Anyway, the o-ring that fits around the lever had completely strung out and lost shape where I couldn't get it back into the body without a hassle. Definitely it's not sitting in the groove properly.

BTW, a gasket for the bottom piece wouldn't go amiss.

On the other hand, and ultimately all that matters at this point, my petcock now functions as it should. I hope not to have to part with another $27 for a while though.

 

yep, this is the kit. i honestly can't tell you if mine works right or not cause without a spring it DEFINITELY doesn't close. oh well.

 

In another post I reported on using a Kawasaki diaphram part #43028-1021.

http://www.xjbikes.com/Forums/viewtopic ... rt=15.html

Well I went to the local Kawasaki dealer, found out the price $17.63, ordered it on Saturday, and received it Tuesday.

Here's a pic....

 

Hey Everybody,
Taking a break and thought I'd give an update. I ordered a petcock kit from partsnmore.com that was linked from this site. The kit was only $20, and appears to be the same kit as used for the Kawasaki style petcock like Nick posted about. I had to order some other stuff to meet the $35 minimum order, but I'm hoping that with a decent quality kit I can get the bike on the road a bit before winter.... I'll post after it comes in to let ya'll know how it turned out. -J

 

did that kit come with a new spring as well as the rest of the stuff?

 

The part number I posted with the picture of the Kawasaki diaphragm assembly does not contain the spring.

I put the spring in the picture to show people that have been asking about the spring size.

 

alright, thanks

 

ARG- after all this waiting- I just got an email from partsnmore that the rebuild kit is out of stock! I went to another site and placed the SAME part number in the "basket" only to be told at the end of the purchase that its out of stock. This is completely ridiculous. -j

 

bought a re-build kit from local yamaha dealer $20.00 cdn put it together leaked about 2 days after not sure what brand that was, then bought a K & L kit from a diff yamaha dealer $25.00 cdn that one was complete S**T that one lasted about 40 mins and am not kidding ya, too much bulls**t i went out a bought a whole new petcock $80.00 cdn i figured the one on my bike that failed lasted 21 years so why mess around with these useless re-build kits

 

I agree, this is really frustrating. I'll go ahead and figure out what I'm going to do later today. I've had this bike nearly 3 months now and havent been able to ride it once! -J

 

I once got so desperate to replace a bad petcock that I built my own with parts from the hardware store! I cut out a mounting plate from aluminum bar, drilled it for the mounting holes and tapped the center hole with pipe threads. I got a 1/8" elbow, brass petcock and hose nipple that I screwed together and screwed them into the mounting plate and put it on the bike. Didn't look too good but it worked and only cost about $8.00.

 

my bike was running really good up until the petcock failed and then i messed around with re-build kits and i think the whole time i was doing that it was causeing other problems with the bike now i have a brand new petcock the bike has a hard time starting and staying started, very frustrating. i have had the carbs of twice, looked at this thing that thing this bike has spent more time in the garage torn apart than i did riding it and the season is winding down real quick, have a couple of things to try yet but my patience is wearing really thin so look for it in the sell,trade,swap forum!!!!

 

forgot to mention that if you buy and order a brand new petcock they are on back-order from yamaha and could take anywheres from 6 to 8 weeks to get................beautiful

 

Petcocks are easy to check and it just takes a minute. Take the fuel line off the carbs and let it drain into a can to see if you get a good stream. If it barely dribbles out you need to fix the problem. If the problem only occurs at speed on the highway replace the fuel line with clear tubing so you can see if you are getting a good flow of fuel. If you see fuel flowing down then everything is good, if you see it stop or there is air in the line you have a problem.

 

I know mine's shot- drained tank of fuel into the crankcase- and what didn't go there was on my garage floor. When I followed the drip- it was from the petcock.

So- I'm just gonna have to order another petcock or a kit. On the corvetteforum we used to call stuff like this a PITA.... J

 

SO-
Thought I'd follow up to let you guys know the state of my petcock kit purchase. I ordered one from Old Bike Barn on October 6th... And now almost 2 weeks later- it's still not here. I got an email that it shipped- so that's good- but now even if it does show up next week I likely won't have time to work on it until maybe Thanksgiving. How sad. I'm beginning to think I should have bought that ninja instead.... -J

 

I hate those vacuum petcocks myself.
A friend of mine suggested going to a Pingle petcock... I looked at it and it looked "after market" to me. Kinda cobbled up looking to me.

I wish someone would come up with a petcock that looked like stock but had ON OFF & RES
They'd sell a bunch of em.

 

Next I have the cock off I'm going to look closely at changing the operation. Since the fuel cock has the passages to route the fuel, I suspect blocking one would convert PRI into off. Then disable the diaphragm and you would be in business.

 

If any of you guys figure out how to do this I'd sure like to know.
Seems that they sell a plate that bolts on to the bollom of the tank where the present cock goes and then the valve screws into that!?

Check out the links below

Valve
http://www.pingelonline.com/power_flo.htm

Plate
http://www.pingelonline.com/adapter_plates.htm

 

Looks like the folks at PINGLE have spotted the demand for a replacement Petcock for XJ750.

They make a number of Mounting Plates and offer one that can be DYI drilled to fit the tank.

I suspect the "Drill it Yourself" plate is offered to allow their Petcock to be adapted to ANY Asian-built machine.

I think I'm going to call the folks at Pingle and explain the difficulty WE ALL seem to be having ... and see if they have a solution.

 

Does not the local Yama dealer carry those petcocks AND the kits??

 

Carry them ... doubtful.
Have the aftermarket suppliers catalog ... sure.
Order for you? Absolutely!
Add-on a hefty profit margin for you showing-up at the counter ... and, ordreing what you might be able to buy, for less, over the web or by phone?

Nah ... they wouldn't do that to fine customer like you! Right???

 

That's what my local dealer is like.

 

I dropped a line to the good folks at Pingle. Hope they contact me back.

I'll keep you posted on what they say.

Mike

 

Joy!- (read sarcasm)
The rebuild kit is here, only 17 days after my order. Now that it's in the 30's- 40's outside. If you guys would post the info on adapting the pingle in detail that would be helpful- from what I've read, these rebuild kits are only good for about one season, so if I keep the 550 I'll be needing to replace it soon anyway.

In response to the post about local dealers- mine doesn't stock the petcock or the rebuild kit. They'll order it for you, but charge you for the shipping, and since they only "bulk order" I'd have to wait for them to need other parts. One guy actually posted that he took his old bike in to them and they told him not to bother taking it off the trailer because if he was riding a bike that old, he couldn't afford their service costs. They also said they'd be happy to show him around the showroom floor for a new bike though, because they will "finance everybody." Insulted, the guy left.

I just can't believe what a hassle this is for such a crappy little part! I mean- I'm not ordering high comp pistons or a custom tranny gear, IT'S A FRIGGIN FUEL SWITCH DINGLE-BERRY!

 

The reason dealerships don't want to service old bikes is because it actually takes some skill and TIME to do the job -- RIGHT!

There's NO carbs to clean on a new bike ... just Injectors to un-plug and replace.

In the time it would take a dealer tech to only -- remove -- your carbs for cleaning ... he can "Service" two or three new bikes and earn far more than he'd charge you for working on your bike.

There's nothing "Plug-'n-play" on an XJ-Series Bike. Everything we do takes time to shake-down the problem and do the corrective measures.

In the time it takes to remove the clamps holding the airbox boots to the carbs ... the YamTech can "Plug-in" a diagnostic tool and "Read" what he has to do to the solid-state bike.

Most of the tuning he has to do on a new bike ... he does with a hand-held mini-computer and a little screwdriver he has in the pocket of his shirt.

The read-out tells him what the trouble is. There's not much wrenching to do beyond removing a mountain of plastic to get to the source of the problem. If the bike shows trouble with the Throttle Position Sensor ... they don't fix it ... they remove it and plug-in a "New" one -- which very well might be a refurbished unit he sent-out last week.

Hang tough. These XJ-Bikes we own are hard to kill. Let's just check-off one thing at a time ... that will get you going. Pretty soon; we'll run out of things to check-off ... and, you'll be riding a race-proven example of fine engineering.

Don't look at the whole project. You can get discouraged doing that.
Look at >> RESTORING << one component or system at a time.

Let's climb this ladder one rung at a time.

 

Thanks for the encouragement Rick. I'm just really frustrated, I've had this bike in my garage for over 2 months now- my first bike, and I've been unable to ride it. I bought it knowing it needed petcock and carb work- but this has been ridiculous.

I'm also very frustrated with the sad state of parts sources for these bikes. After all of the trouble finding the parts, ordering them 3 times, waiting weeks for delivery- I STILL ended up with the crap K&L kit I went out of my way to avoid! Old Bike Barn sent me that same kit everyone here has comlained about, which is NOT what I ordered, I ordered the other part #, and they sent me the K&L kit anyway. If I had wanted this crappy kit, I would have bought it for $20 less elsewhere! $43 for this crap K&L kit? I'm fuming...

 

Here's the web site for Pingel......

http://www.pingelonline.com/index.htm

This is what they list for the XJ750 and it is a replacement vacuum operated fuel valve.

Valve part # 4311-CRV
Adapter plate part # A1603C

They don't show a listing for other XJ bikes, just a note to call them at
1-608-339-7999

 

Anyone know if Part #20-0051 from www.mixesxs.com (non-vacuum petcock from 1970-77 xs 650 would replace the petcocks on our tanks? Those Pingle petcocks might be nice, but they run almost as much as my bike did when I bought it.

 

Hard to say without having one in my hot little hands.

Can't go by part numbers due to the XS version is not a vacuum operated valve. No dimensions on parts diagrams.

BUT.... the body o-ring on the 1977 XS650F matches the 1982 & 1983 XJ650 turbo's, the 1985 & 1986 XJ700 Maxim, and the 1983 XJ900R.
Don't know if this helps, but suggests it may be close.

Isn't your valve on the left side of your tank and therefore part # 20-0050 be required from MikesXS ?

 

beardking, did you see the petcock part #20-0019 further down the listing in MikesXS for $40.00 ?

They list it as:

Petcocks - Non Vacuum type to replace 1978-84 vacuum type petcocks.

All 1978-84 North American market 650's have original petcocks operated by Vacuum from a line to the intake (on carb holder). 1978-79 models have 2 and 1980-84 models have 1 petcock. Vacuum petcocks are chronic leakers and are all getting to the point of being non-repairable. Our petcock is the Early type 650 manual petcock with a wider flange cast on it so it will fit in place of the vacuum types. Our Petcock fits to right or left and each comes with the tap to tank O-Ring seal and assorted outlet fittings ( petcock has 2 outlet ports). Fittings included: 2 ninety degree, 1 Straight fitting & 1 outlet port Plug. There is an "ON", "OFF" and "Reserve" position.

 

Nick, yep, you are right. I was looking at the wrong part number. After I posted the previous message, I started wondering about the 0019 part. I think that one might work better. One of these days, I might have to get adventurous and try it out. I'm sure not to happy with the selection of rebuild kits for these things.

 

In the case of there Non-Vacuum units ...

What would be the difference from the Non-Vac's -- "ON" -- and, the Vac-Op'd -- "PRI" ??

 

Rick, I wouldn't think that the ON would be any different than PRI. I was actually thinking last night that maybe I should just go about my business and ride with the bike on PRI and put it over to ON when I'm sitting still. The only issue there would be a lack of a Reserve, I think. Since the reserve is still vacuum operated.

 

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Marty

 

I tried them, but kit was outta stock... Looked like good pricing on other stuff tho.