Oil scraper?

So I was having some issues with the bike not rolling when put in gear clutch in or out. I pull off the clutch cover and find what looks to be an oil scraper laying loose (I assume it was binding up the clutch basket) and had been ground on a bit. I pull it out, add oil, and took it for a short spin, no more problem.

My question is why is it in there and do I need it in there?

Thanks all

Dustin

 

Does anybody know what I'm talking about?

 

i know what your talking about , it's towards the rear of the clutch, just a piece of sheet metal but i have no idea what it's for
oil control of some sort would be a good guess

 

Yeah I'm guessing a scraper, and it's not in there now as I don't need it happening again but I have zero real miles on it and don't want to lock up a motor due to oil staying in the wrong places.

 

is it salvageable ? it just kind of sticks in some groves in the case and then the cover holds it in

 

Yeah it's salvagable, it grooved it and bent some tabs but I think I can make it work if need.

 

I've been curious to the function of this part for a while. Mine has a nasty habit of popping loose of its own accord too, it seems.

 

It's there to keep excessive amounts of oil from getting sucked up into the breather matrix ("maze?") that's cast into the covers. I think. At least that's why they added one to the 550/600 motor late in its genesis.

 

Any ill effects from just keeping it out of there? I'd hate to have this happen worse than it already did and cause something worse to happen.

 

Thanks to Bike Bandit I found that the piece in question is the "oil pump cover". Still unsure of it's job. I think I found what knocked the cover out, and I'm unsure what it is. I took the bike for a ride today and was unable to shift lower than third. Limped it home and found this on top of the transmission shafts.
HELP ME haha

 

Cam chain guide?

 

After an hour of staring at Bike Bandit's schematics that's the best I could come up with, but there seems to be a lot of plastc on this piece for a cam chain guide. I don't know, and I don't want to ride the bike without knowing, and I don't want to split the cases either. Grrrrr.

 

After hours of searching, I still don't know. I'm almost disgusted about it and am thinking of just chagning oil, slapping it back together, and riding it. Every moral fiber in my body says not too, but tonight, I have a case of the "***kits". I'm sure after a nights sleep my mind will change. I do know that this is going on the back burner so I can start/finish an XS build this fall/winter.
***Edited by Robert, I'm all for humor just keep it clean eh?***
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It would certainly explain the shifting problem, although the common complaint is that one can't shift up beyond first, rather than down from third. <shrug>

I've not had to deal with this issue, so I can't really say for sure. However, I was under the impression that a) the cam chain guides, for the most part ARE plastic, and b) it's not necessary to split the case to replace them; removing the head and cylinder block would be sufficient.

Perhaps someone who's swapped theirs out can hop in here...?

 

The tensioner blades are steel backed rubber, you don't need to remove the head, just the inlet camshaft, me thinks.

 

Quickly looking at the service manual, I get the idea that the front guide can indeed be removed by taking out the exhaust camshaft; however, the rear will still require removal of the cylinder block, due to the mounting bolt at the bottom.

Again, I've not done this myself, so I could very well be way off base on this. The Haynes manual seems to bear this out as well, though. I've also got email on its way to Chacal to get his opinion.

 

Okay, I stuck my foot in my mouth again.

Chacal reminded me what the "emergency guide-ectomy" on the XJCD actually said, and I missed; it's not the cam chain guide that's the problem. The starter chain guide is the culprit. Currently, the only way to get to it is split the cases, although Chacal is trying to develop a method for getting around that. (He does, however, say that even if this method works, the ability to curse fluently in multiple languages would be a plus.)

 

The oil pump cover is quite a bit bigger than that piece, if I recall correctly. But it does "mount" via two hard-plastic u-shaped grommet "thingies". Hard to tell from the picture.....

 

I didn't differ what I've found very well in text. The oil pump cover isn't what I've pictured, but it was a little chewed. I had removed that and went for a ride, THEN the bike would not downshift passed 3rd gear. I brought it back and found what I took the pic of laying on top of the trans gears.

Hope that helps.