New Plugs, Can't get BP7ES??

So I called NAPA today, and also a local big distributor and neither of them have the BP7ES, they told me that NGK does not make these plugs anymore?? I'm afraid to switch to a BP6ES because its a hotter plug, and I don't want to melt anything... I have BPR7ES plugs right now, which I was sold, and before I knew anything about them being inadequate for my bike. Does anyone know anything about the BP7ES plugs being discontinued by NGK? I tried the dealer but they have yet to get back to me as I only got an answering machine because it was peak hours.

 

Maybe in Canada..... I just got mine latest set a couple weeks ago.

Oh and I'm pretty sure Len (chacal) has them.

 

I had a talk with a couple of the local auto parts stores and the story I got is that the company that supplies motorcycle parts(spark plugs/plug caps and oilfilters) to the auto parts stores discontinued the motorcycle parts line. You should be able to get your plugs at a bike repair shop or a dealer... Or Chacal(if you didn't know, he's the S % $ T!!!).

 

it's in here somewhere
link

 

Kitchener eh? Crappy Tire has them ( I just bought a set of them on the Fairway rd Location ). They're not the fancy v-groove or iridium, but they have copper in the name ( I think ) and they are the BP7ES. Seems to run the same...

 

I tried Crappy Tire for them before going to Royal.. and they only had 2 Champions.. So I said no thanks.. I need 4 not 2... and I called Royal back today, and the guy said nope, sorry.. I can't help ya out... all they stock is NGK and he can't get them according to his database. I guess I'll be making an order from Chacal... gotta keep the love in the family

 

I bought my last set from www.sparkplugs.com

They show an exact match for $2.89 ea plus shipping.

MN

 

0 places had them out of 7 places where I live, so I bought the Autolite equivalent for $1.60, bike's running mint

 

Just got a set from Autozone 2 weeks ago.. I was a little surprised they didn't stock them and had to order them from their warehouse in Ohio. Had to wait 3 days but I got em.

 

had no problems getting them where i live. dealer or our local motorcycle accessory store.

 

I grabbed 4 from Crappy Tire in Stratford. CT Can get them still, only place in Ontario i've found them. You may have to order them if they're out of stock, but they CAN get them.

Bike runs so much better with non R

 

that is an EXTREMELY popular plug, for them to discontinue it would be suicide. dennis kirk has them listed in stock as well as the iridium version.

 

I buy 'em at Autozone all the time. Huh.

You know the "P" just means Platinum, right? You can run B7ES just fine too. It's the "R" (resistor) that have a compatibility issue with the resistor plug caps on our wonky old bikes.

 

I had issues as well. NOONE in town had them. Weird, they use to stock them, and now they say they have to order them. Maye I'll buy two sets for my EX just in case

 

gotta wonder wh y some of you can't find them and some of us have no problems walking in and out with a new set.

i would be surprised if they got discontinued. that's been the basic NGK lineup for as long as i've been riding the last 30 years.

but i guess it's possible they might be phasing out if the new bikes are using a totally different part number.

 

why not just get another brand of plug ?

 

BP7ES PLUGS

 

Sorry Fitz -- the 'P' in this type of plug type means "Projected Insulator Tip"

Here's a good image (from some car guys) for the part numbers:
NGK part numbers

Here's the full 'what NGK part numbers mean" page (link to a PDF file):
NGK sparkplugs

NGK's plug FAQ is worth a read too:
Spark Plug FAQ

 

I found them at Car Quest if that helps.

 

I think it's a Canadian supply issue myself, seems us canucks can't find em half the time, but you US peeps have no issues.

 

From what I've been told back in the mid-late 80's we had to put the resistors in to cut down on radio interference... they're still here but just a little tougher to find.

 

A fair number of Japanese imports used this plug, I highly doubt NGK would stop making them. I think your parts guy is blowing smoke 'cause he doesn't want to give the problem any effort. Tell him to get off his bum and earn that minimum wage.

 

Like I said before. The auto parts stores get their parts from a supplier. The supplier dropped the motorcycle parts line for the auto parts stores. The best bet to get the ngk plugs is from a repair shop or the dealer. Some parts stores may have some left in stock or have a diffrent supplier. I heard that directly from the guy who orders parts for the store.

 

I have some Autolight replacements, work fine. Someone makes an equivalent.

 

autolight and champion both have substitutes.

i've never had very good luck though with automotive substitutes.

plugs can be made. but they don't have the same standards. and they don't last as long. and sometimes they don't work very good at all.
car plugs only fire once on the compression stroke. motorcycle plugs fire twice. compression and exhaust stroke.

motorcycle plugs take more wear and tear.

 

There is always online... The NGK site lets you look for local distributors.

 

My understanding is that our bikes fire on both compression and exhaust strokes... but only to save from needing a better ignition system. I read it somewhere and found it quite interesting.

As for the plugs, I tried CT on Ottawa in Kitchener, they didn't have it. The NAPA store said they could give me autolites.. which I said uhm, NO.. I've never liked Champions... everything I ever read about my car, truck etc... always said to switch from Champion to NGK. I haven't had a problem with them. I will agree we might have a problem getting them in Canada, but not that they don't make them anymore. Simply put, they are available its just a matter of sourcing a distrubutor that can get them. I am getting them from Chacal now anyway.. I have no problem supporting a supportive member/vendor of the site and I don't need them before he ships me the YICS tool and my tank is clean anyway.

 

wow, the dewdew's gettin deep in here

 

Gum boot city.

 

If you put them in and it goes babang then they work. I have 2500 miles or so on mine (autolights) granted thats in 6 weeks. But they work babang.

 

I couldnt get BP7ES plugs when I got them in my XJ either. I just got whatever plug cross refrenced.

 

Well I stopped at a dealer north of Guelph... and they didn't list anything in their book. When he checked with Yamaha they listed them on their parts website, but sold in quantities of 10. So they are still available, mind you he had to order them...

 

I went to c-tire in Georgetown and took the last 4 they had on the shelf.

 

Stopped by a local Pep Boys... two, actually. They didn't even have them listed in the system. They suggested I go to Napa. Went to another place down the street instead (Kragen -- got bought out by O'Reilly) and they had a metric buttload of them.

Just for grins, I emailed the sales department at the NGK website explaining what was going on, and inquired whether that plug model was discontinued, and if so, what would be the suggested alternative?

The reply I got neatly sidestepped the question as to whether it was discontinued, but suggested that I use the stock number instead of the model number. The email suggested 3995 and gave a link; the link provided two stock numbers, the second being 1034, which the guy at the store said was their "new" stock number.

http://ngk.com/results_cross.asp?pid=bp7es

 

I wonder if they "discontinued" 3995 and now only stock 1034. The parts store I got mine at seemed lost as well when I asked for the plug by part number. Of course those guys are not known for their smarts.....

 

Here's something to muddy the waters a bit. When I sent the mail, I used their contact link at ngksparkplugs.com. You'll note the link I provided comes from ngk.com... whose page banner states that they are *not* NGK Spark Plugs USA, and they specialize in "hard to find" NGK parts.

I don't know whether that's an admission that the plug is becoming harder to find, or whether he simply used the site to show the stock numbers.

 

Hi Dansona,

I have a brand new pair that I put in my XJ650 but then never got the bike running. If you wanna pay for shipping I'll give them to you for free. PM me if you're interested. I live in Bay Area, California.

Cheers!
Paul

 

how bad do you want them $$$
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/searc ... 34&submit=

 

They are in stock and ready to ship.