downloadible repair manual

The Law takes in to account "How much" of the Material protected by Copyright is used.

Normally, ""Quoted."" Or Indexed. Or placed in italics."

The terms: Fair Use and Educational are applied when the Material is used in Good Faith.

 

GIRLS, GIRLS, Please... chill out - Lets all go for a ride!!!

 

Ok thanks for all the people, that commented on my request, both good and bad.

But lets get one thing straight.

I DID NOT. I REPEAT. DID NOT ASK FOR ANYTHING ILLEAGLE. I SIMPLY ASKED IF THERE WAS A MANUAL THAT WAS AVAILIBLE TO DOWNLOAD.

With that said can we all wrench and be happy?

 

It seems to have been suggested that the "XJCD" set of information is a possible violation of copyright infringement.

Then why is it promoted here as a the first sticky under the "XJ Chat" forum ?

Just curious.....

 

I know right?

 

A wise man once told me: "Buy the service manual. It'll pay for itself the first time you use it."

That works for me.

 

I own factory service manuals for every car & motorcycle I own & they are worth their weight in gold. Absolutely agree with your statement that they pay for themselves the first time you use them......

But the Haynes or Clymer manuals are junk for bikes......only factory service are descent......& even those are riddled with errors.....

Let the buyer beware.....

 

I don't think the Site Owner is aware that the XJCD Set is such a Flagrant Violation of the Copyright Laws of The United States.

Further, the XJCD "Seller" has some lame excuse for why he thinks that what he has done is not outside of the Laws.

The XJCD Set "Seller" has rationalized his actions and quotes International Law not pertaining to United States Statutes, and tries to convince others that what he is doing is well within his rights.

Personally, I think he knows full-well what a Fraud he is perpetuating and
will continue to profit from his business until enjoined or prosecuted.

 

breaker breaker, good buddy
Do you copy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfGgorajsro

Copyright have expirations (about 100 years).
BTW – Bibles can have copyrights
http://www.holybibletrivia.org/display/ ... =copyright

 

but if you change a couple letters in the manual wouldn't that be considered not a good holding on the original works for the copyright to adhere to ?

 

A copyright is protection of authorship (expression of an idea). It does not protect the idea itself (that would be a patent).

So while you cannot quote the Yamaha manual verbatim you can describe accomplishing the same task in your own words. That is why Clymer and Haynes can also publish service manuals that pretty much describe the same tasks.

Going to the library, memorizing the manual with your photographic memory, and writing it out again verbatim would still infringe the copyright.

Changing a few words would not protect you from a copyright violation. You only own it if it is an original creation, not a doctored copy.

Scanning something to a .pdf and posting it on the internet or on a CD also violates the copyright (unless you have the copyright holders permission).

Telling someone the plot of a book would not be a copyright violation. It's not the idea (plot) that the copyright protects but the expression of the idea (the words used).

When you purchase a book you are free to resell it or lend it to a friend. The same applies to the Library. What the library cannot do is copy it so they have multiple copies to lend. I think there might also be problems if the book were let for rent.

Rick is absolutely correct - If the publishers of the XJ CD do not have permission from the copyright holders they are in violation of the copyright. If the copyright holders decided to enforce their rights there could be some pretty stiff penalties. There have been cases where music copyright owners got substantial judgments against people who had downloaded unauthorized copies.

People who create things (inventors, musicians, authors, artists etc.) have a right to be rewarded for their efforts. Using their creations without compensating them (by acquiring through an authorized channel) is no different than going into their houses and taking money from their wallets.

Information from the U. S. Copyright Office.

 

is it even possible to buy a brand new shop manual for these bikes from yamaha ?

 

Do you think that Yamaha really cares about this or not ? I don't think so.......I am sure they are fully aware of this site & the postings to it......or the promotion of certain reference material.

I would think & again it is just a supposition on my part that Yamaha would be happy for us Yamaha enthusiasts that want to restore 25+ year old bikes. They would rather us buy a new new I am sure but are happy that we still believe in their product & promote it......

So a little historical reference information here & there, will not hurt their deep pockets. I still am a believer in factory service manuals that are obtain legally.....but the XJCD CD set I think they could care less about.

Just my thoughts.

 

i thnk the question is does the copy write laws still hold for this since some are set at 28 years then become public domain while others last for up to 120 years all counts to country its writen in and if it was a for writing that was hired or writen by the owner by my researce i think it falls with in the 28 years limit

 

I just bought my manual for 8.99. I can use it somewhat but a little hard to see the pics which I really need. I agree that the owners manual should be free to download but not the repair manual. Any idea where I can get the owners manual?

 

do a google search. they are out there.

there are some downloadable ones too for a cheaper price. i found a sight for $7.99 but i can't vouch for there authenticity. and you do need software to read it.

 

Yes. It's also possible to buy legitimately marketed retail copies of the Yamaha book, from online book sellers or from eBay for that matter.

I got my 650 Seca/650 base book, the real Yamaha "Lit" part number, from an online retailer. It's the genuine Yamaha softbound retail version.

 

Do you really think that Yamaha cares about this??

No

other wise there would be forums being proeicuted all over the world


the copy right laws are there to stop the mas production of thousands of copys and selling them. not to stop a few bikers from getting some info that they need.

I dont think they want to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on lawyers to get a few people that they make money out of.

we all buy parts from Yamaha, Wether we like it or not. it happens.

they will still make money out one single manual that has been sold over and over again as we all will end up back there at some stage to buy parts.

get over it.

but im sure the people being bitchy about this also sit at home watch a program they know they dont like just to find something to complain about. turn it off or change channel for fooks sake

this is the first forum that i have been on that behaves like this. all other forums i have been on have links to free downloads and some specific bike forums even have them on the server.

get over yourselves go have a smoke, beer, bong, shag, ride. what ever it takes and chill out.

 

at the end of the day the site owner and mods are responsible for this site... end of.

i am neither of the above.. so I can say happily that I respect this... if there was a law suite it would be them who gets in trouble.. NOT the active users!!!

I know this REALLY well as I own another site and we have to delete tons of stuff from spammers/ porn racism copy right restrictions etc... so end of the day..... its said and done

if we dont like it we move on.. BUT there is no harm in someone sending it to you via email or pm... thats between you and them and then out of the site owners hands.... and I am NOT saying you should do any of this.. cough cough splutter splutter... wink wink.. nod nod.. do you get my drift yet!!!

 

Yea... or you can be like me and get taken for a ride on ebay... i paid for a BOOK... i got a bunch of PDF's on a CDR... at least i tried to avoid copywright infringement...