downloadible repair manual

Rick- sorry ,your wrong it is in fact illegal for any one but a qualified mechanic to tamper with factory settings. You have often adivesed our members to adjust their settings. All for the benefit of the owners to be sure.
The EPA does NOT agree with the fact that it's stupid. I agree,it's stupid.
The caps sit flush for a reason and it's not for looks-it's to keep us out of the circuit so we cannot make our own adj. as we see fit.

Perhaps your desire to help the members achive the best running bikes they can has clouded your thinking or understanding at the desire of the EPA to keep owners from changing the EPA pre-set requirements for each and every bike that has rolled off the floor since the late '70's.

But lets be at peace. As I stated to Robert , I have the highest respect for you and all the other masters of the xj. But I fight day and night for the rights of motorcycle owners right to modify their bikes as they see fit and know what I'm talking about in that respect.

Ron

 

If it were against the Law ... Motorcycle Inspections would be Mandatory in ALL 50 States and Certificates of Passing Inspection's denied to those without the Plugs or found with the Replacement Plugs provided in Carb Kits found instead of Factory Plugs.

An easy way for you to prove that Drilling-out the Plugs and Fine Tuning is Illegal, ... would be to find the Law and it's Reference Notation and Post it for us to read.

I think you will find that that the Law clearly states that it is ILLEGAL to Tamper with Emissions Devices in a Manner that:
>>/ REMOVES an Element of an Exhaust Gas Recirculation System
>>/ BYPASSES a Device.
>>/ RENDERS a Device Inoperative.
>>/ SUBSTITUTES Parts Mandated by EPA with Performance Parts.

You know the Old saying: "I'm from Missouri, ... show me."

Your attention is directed to:

The Federal Register.
Volume - 69 (2004)
Pages: 2402 ~ 2405

 

Ok, I think the point is well made Rick. Let's get on with our regularly scheduled program. Thanks for looking that up by the way, nice to see you do the footwork to back it all up.

 

the air fuel mixture cap is not a emissions device. emissions devices are EGR, CAT CONVERTERS, SMOG PUMPS, COMPUTER SENSORS,.

BUT, the air fuel mixture does control emissions at an idle. which is why the caps were put on. to keep people from tampering. it's NOT illegal to take them off however. it just discourages people from screwing around where they shouldn't. as most of the times the carbs had to come off to drill those caps off.

back in them days people had a tendency to cut the belt off there smog pump. and adjust the carb to run full rich. they had a disbeleif that there engines were running better and had more power.

towards the end of the carburetor years on cars. there were caps. but after a few thousand miles were put on the motor. it would eventually fail emissions. drill the caps off. and adjust. plain and simple.

i don't do mechanics anymore. but i still maintain my emissions certificate. in case i decide to go back to doing emissions tests part time. those caps are not a requirement for emissions.

as for doing emissions on motorcycles. they don't have the proper equipment to even THINK about passing. that's why they are exempt. just like lawnmowers. cars built in the 60's have the highest cutpoints for emissions. even those babies run cleaner then our motorcycles.

i can't vouch for the newer bikes though. specially the later fuel injected models.

 

as for the email of a pdf manual. FORGET IT. email can only handle files up to 16 megs in size. the manual is 175 megs.

the only way your getting that manual is 5 pages at a time. and i don't know if anyone is even tech savy to do that. OR will even devote the time to do that.

i'm not that savy and i certainly don't have the time.

 

tomorrow im off to my local yamaha dealer to see if the factory manual is still avalable.

I dont take to well to being called a crook. i am not, nor am i a felon.

im sure you are a saint rick and have never broken any any laws.

I am no angel.but i have my own morals and have my own views on things.

I am not promoting the copy and down load of books and music. they are the property of the creator and they deserve the rewards of their hard work. there is a individual that created it and will be losing out.

But a manual has no author the guy that wrote it was on a wage and will not see more money if i buy one. all i will be doing by buying one will be to put more money in to a already wealthy bank account.

i hate large money making international companies. and any law that is in place that enables them to make more wealth. (oil companies, mining, and phone compaines all need to be regulated)

i beleive in education and the freedom of knowledge and infomation. and the manual is infomation, the manual is knowledge. I should not have to pay for it.

and if i do pay for it how can i be sure that the guy selling it has a right to sell it??

and rick If you feel SOOOOOOOOOOO strongly about holding the moral high ground and standing by the law then remove all trace of the XJ cd from the site. and ban the creators. allowing the creators to post info then this site is just as bad as the guys buying and selling it
http://xjbikes.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=1 ... =xjcd.html

having this as a sticky is just as bad as having a copy. by having it there you are infact aiding in the crime.

robert unlike rick you replied with arguements that showed logic and a realistic view of the situation. this i can respect.you are protecting the site and letting users know the rules and acceptable behaviour. all fine by me.

but rick calling me a felon, crook and a criminal. NOT ON MATE.


If wanting knowledge and infomation to educate myself and enable me to correctly maintain my bike so it is safer for not only me and other road users make me a crook then yes i am a crook.

If wanting to keep a little extra money in my pocket so i can pay my rent put food on teh table or put gas in my car/bike so i can get to uni and work. than that makes me a criminal

If not wanting to help the rich get richer makes me a felon then yes i am.

and

yes sometimes i do like starting s*&t. sometimes it opens up peoples minds, but it can also show how closed others minds are.

 

I cannot believe people are arguing over copyright laws on motorcycle manuals.

I have uploaded manuals onto the web for free download, I also buy manuals, I download free software, I buy software, I jaywalk, I speed, I lie about my tax deductions, I lie when I am pulled over by a traffic officer...et all!

"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"
"He who has not sinned may cast the first stone"

Who ever videoed a movie or t.v show while they were out?
INFRINGEMENT
Who ever dubbed a cassette to another on a twin deck stereo? INFRINGEMENT!
Who ever photocopied more than 10% of any book?
INFRINGEMENT!

Are people comparing file sharing networks with millions of members exchanging music with a couple of hundred who download a bike manual?!
Courts cost money, all parties have to be sure of huge fines just to build a case, I think everyone here is safe...

I technically break the law everyday, hell, even things that I say may in some countries be considered a massive offence, in most countries laws still exist that have been around for over 100 years, but no court would be stupid enough to act on those found to be commiting offences.

relax!

 

for example here where i live (hamilton, ontario) its illegal to walk your giraf down the street at 9 pm. and your not allowed to play hockey on the road at any time.

 

2c

I think the simple truth is that when we are presented with two choices, we should pick the one we know is right.

And it comes down to the 'inconvenience' of money and shipping times which make people choose wrongly.

 

These types of debates are one thing that keep me coming back to this sight. Even though the other things in my life force long absences.

So many other sites I go to are for all practical purposes dormant (for example sites associated with the vehicles I own). On those sites there seems to have been a burst of activity at some time in the past, all important questions were answered, neatly indexed, and readily available, and user's use it to search on but there's really no new user activity.

This type of thread, among others, is what keeps this site alive and kicking.

 

There is a site with all types of owners and repair manuals on pdf online,
from tractors to hair dryers. Do they have permission to post these for download? My thinking is if you purchase the machine you have the right to the intellectual property in order to operated it safely, and therefore maintain it.

 

It's still legal in arizona to "Shoot on site" any indian seen in a carrage.

It's also still on the books to be given a rifle,horse and $25.00 upon leaving
prison.

If the law was all that grand and always correct-just try either of the above two examples and see how far law inforcment will respect written
law.

My point is, some laws are seen as worth enforcing while others (such as the shooting an indian) will land you in jail.

To pick a fight over a 25 year old shop manual is silly.

 

+1

Couldn't have said it better myself...

 

I don't have the authority to remove the Archived Posts concerning the XJ-CD.

That is reserved for the Site Owner.

 

Interesting thread. Why hasn't the site admin weighed in on this?

 

they are

rick is a moderator

he or some one has removed a couple of my posts in this thread. as i gave a link to a site with 100s of bike manuals on it. (but very little xj)
so i will not post it in a thread again. I do have PM though.

I have tried to get a availability for a manual from Yamaha New Zealand.

they said they are not able to get manuals that old and if they did it would be worth 300-400 dollars.

so what other choice do i have?? i dont like haynes book of lies, and even they are 100 bucks here.

so i am left with trying to find a second hand one.(not very likely here in NZ.)
Buying one off the net that will probably be a PDF like another member. and have no guarantee that the seller has the right to reproduce them any way. so will end up with a pirate copy.

not left with much choice am I

I will find one

Yes i will find one.

 

Whoa partner! Haynes has it's flaw or two but lies? I use my Haynes almost exclusively and have enjoyed a sound machine as a result for years. Are we talking about the same book?
What info do you need? I just saw a 750 RH manual go out the door on flea-bay for under $20! I knew I should have grabbed that thing...
Have you checked with Chacal for a book? He's got them, I'm pretty sure shipping to NZ can't be more than $30 for a book. I scored my 750 RH book off fleabay for about $35 and I've seen the new books offered at $75 (pretty reasonable to me). Would you like me to see what shipping would be from here (state side) to there?

 

Brockzila:

You are missing the Point.

We let you come-in to our world with the expectation that you will abide by the simple Terms of Service Members are required to observe after agreeing to them and joining the community.

That means ... Not violating the law.
Not using the site as a means of promoting unlawful behavior.

I don't care how many Copyright Protected Manuals, Books, Articles and Professional Journals you have links for, to share with others to be downloaded.

Providing the information and encouraging the Members of THIS Site to use them is Unlawful Behavior.

The Site needs to show that the practice is not tolerated; otherwise the Site becomes Tacitly Complicit.

Posts by a Moderator directing offenders to please stop it will demonstrate that we've shown a diligence, asking those who come here and be the cause of these disruptions, to knock it off or take a hike.

 

I'm pretty sure SnoSheriff if the site admin. He makes the final decisions as to what's on this site.

I would like to hear his input on this.