For the 900 crew, is this a deal breaker?

Hey guys, another 900 popped up, priced pretty good, BUT has some damage on the right side I noticed, may be cause for a price drop, or maybe walk away?



Are these covers easy to find? Compatible to other models?
She needs some serious clean up, looks like it was down on the right side, nothing too bad other than the cover.

Opinions?

 

That cover is for appearance' sake only; there's nothing behind it.

Finding another one should be no problem.

Looks kinda rough; get a compression test.

 

Cosmetic eh, so could ber repaired if no replacement can be fountd

I think it may have been stuck outside for a bit...
Says it was running last year , but can't get it started now ( big suprise, bet the carbs haven\t been of for a while)
I haven\t looked at it in person yet, agree with the compression test idea.
May see about a trip over to see it ( a ways out of town)
If the numbers are good, it may be a good resto project.
With the baby Max running good I can tike time a do her up right.

Thanks for the insight Fitz

 

I'm interested to know how that bike can be so oxidized and rusted but yet the carb diaphragm hats look great... lol.

 

hehe Easy... East Coast, salt air hates aluminium

 

ZaGhost,

That particular cover is NOT the easier one to find. They are around but they are more expensive than the generic side covers. That one that you show is a thinner aluminum cover that bolts onto a thicker spacer ring which then bolts to the side of the engine.

PM me, as I can give a few other points of info, some questions, and I'd like to get some info from you, too.

Thanks,

Dave Fox
Registrar, XJ900RK Seca Database

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Ghost, have a good look for rust in the lower rear parts of the fuel tank.

 

Yes, definitely......right at the lowest points at the front of the colored part of the side panels. The water collects there and are often rusted out or already repaired.

Another common rust issue is under the rear of the seat, by the tool/storage compartment......the frame can rust out pretty good there.

Dave F

 

Thanks for the reminder wiz, I\m aware of the tank issue, in fact the few that hove gone up for sale here over the last couple of year all head leaking issues there.

Will see if I can get oout to hve a look at it ths weekend and give it a good look over.

hogfiddles, now that you mention that frame area I remember reading that on here too...

Both area a definate concern by the looks of the way it was stored.

He\s asking $550 obo, if it looks salvageable I\ll see ho low I can get him to drop ....

the 900 is a bit bigger than I was looking at, but they look sooooo good when restored ")

 

Yup, there's some nice looking ones out there yet........ go to my gallery and take a peek at mine--it's the lowest serial number currently documented, and it's unrestored, too.

DaveF

 

Positives:
Air scoops, fender, side covers. exhaust, Essentially a complete bike.

Negatives:
Non-original mufflers?, Non-original paint, lay down damage (Is there any structural damage??)

Are far as the visible damge. I would not be to concerned. Those parts are replaceable. You can use The DOHC covers (available on the UK eBay site), or the 83 750 midnight Maxim covers while looking for original replacements. The black plastic inner ring is the same as on the 83 XJ750 MK. only the outer cover is different.

Side covers dirt cheap $$ in the UK

You will be looking at approx $800-$1000 to bring it back to rideable shape. More if you get serious about restoring it.

If it runs. Then it would be worth the asking price. Do not forget to use the standard issues to knock down the price a bit. Outdated brake lines, carb work, fork seals, ect... Get documentation for any work that is stated to have been done.

Ghost

 

Check out the frame welds near the seat loop, they often fail - I have seen several over the years - look closely they can be hard to spot....an easy fix though but is a good bargaining tool :wink:

 

You guys are all enablers

Hopefully it's a decent weekend and I can get out for a look, ( rode the bike all lat week, we even had a days in the 80F range) this week it's freezing again...)

Thanks for the extra info there Ghost, exhaust will need to be replaced by the look of it, only 1 has the 4 into 1 header
The crash bar in the side in the pic is toast, other side seems free of rust from the pics.

Goal would be to make it safe and rideable in year one and then progress from there.

If not that one, there is a Seca II that needs less work with only 14K on it ( not always a good thing I know)

the 900's have a certain lure for me though .. I blame Wiz and his resto jobs

 

Enablers....... That's EXACTLY why we're here

Dave fox

 

DOH!!!

Think I hit a deal breaker... got in touch with the guy about going to see it...no papers.....
Will check with the DMV to see what hoops would be involved it getting a legit title....
not optimistic at this point

 

Don't know about up there, but here in NY.......no papers = no NOTHING. If you don't have a title, they'll tell you goodbye. Period. Unless you really have a GOOD connection. Then you'll probably be told, Sorry......goodbye.

The only thing good about a bike with no title......it's a good parts bike. I get quite a few of those!

Dave F

 

That's what I'm thinking too, I'll ask a few friends over the weekend if they know anything.
If not, Call on Monday and see....
Too bad, other than the oxidation on the motor it looks goof, from the pics.

Oh well, maybe I'll look into that XJ600.... or just put a bit more work into the baby max and wait a bit longer.... that 900 gave me the itch to work on something lol

 

See if you can find out the info that I asked you about, though.........

Dave F

 

Don't give up too fast - - we got someone in the White House with no papers ! :lol:

 

LOL Time,

and you had to tease me with that pic too ...

Dave, l'll the VIN for a check with the DMV I'm guessing, if he\ll give it
But if he won\t supply it , that would raise some red flags....

 

No papers? In Ontario the Ministry can do a VIN search (for a fee) and you can get a new ownership with an affidavit, provided the guy lawfully owns the bike. Check and see if something similar is available in NS.

 

+2 on not giving up. A salvage title is too easy to be had. Check with DMV for details. Ask them..."I am looking at a motorcycle a guy is selling but he says he doesn't have the papers for it. Is there anything I can do to get the bike legal and registered, like say a salvage title or something? Generally, you get the reply, "Yes, but it will cost $X, and you will have to wait for X amount of days. If no one comes forward with the correct and current title, then the bike is free and clear"

Give it a shot, but without papers, I would try to talk him way down on the price as such and still get it.

 

Yeah, don't give up on it until there's nothing you can do but buy it as a parts bike.........then get it anyway and wait for another one to come along. If you're patient enough.....or lucky enough...............

Dave F

 

I will be checking with the DMV on Monday to see what the options are. I know the laws vary State to State / Province to Province so, will find out then.. Worse case I pick it up cheaper and use the headlight/fairing an the Baby Max while looking

 

Hey Zaghost, if you do decide to get it to part out, I want the airscoops, and the tank. PM me, I'm PMing you, too.

Dave Fox

 

I spoke with my neighbor concerning what you should do.
He's a retired Lawyer.

Get the SELLER to sign a >> DETAILED << "Bill of Sale" for you.

Create a LEGAL Document.
This Document should be TYPED.
Leave NOT One detail out of this document.
Both Parties SIGN in the presence of a Notary Public.
Pay Fee / Have Document STAMPED.
Type Font: Garamond 14

(Centered) BILL OF SALE
(Centered) TRANSFER OF TITLE TO YAMAHA MOTORCYCLE
(Centered) VIN# JYA12300456007890

Vehicle Bill of Sale/Title Transfer:
BE IT KNOWN that I, (hereinafter referred to as “Seller”), residing at , County of , State of , for good consideration, and in payment of the sum of Dollars ($ ), receipt and sufficiency of which are hereby acknowledged, on this
day of , 2012, do hereby grant, convey, sell and transfer to (hereinafter referred to as “Buyer”),
residing at , County of , State of , and Buyer’s lawful successors, executors, heirs and assigns forever, the following described motor vehicle (hereinafter referred to as the “Vehicle”).
Year of Manufacture:
Make:
Model:
Color:
Body Type:
Last State of Registration:
Vehicle Identification Number (VIN):

Odometer Disclosure
Seller discloses to Buyer that at the time of the transfer, the odometer reads (not to include 1/10th of miles). To the best of Seller’s knowledge, the odometer reading reflects the actual mileage of the Vehicle, unless one of the following statements is checked or initialed.
___ The odometer reading reflects the amount of mileage in excess of its mechanical limit.
OR
___ The odometer reading is NOT the actual mileage.
WARNING: ODOMETER DISCREPANCY.
Payment:
The total purchase price of the Vehicle is Dollars ($ ).
Seller’s Representations and Warranties.
Seller represents and warrants to Buyer that:
•• Seller is the lawful owner of the Vehicle with the full legal right and authority to enter into the transactions contemplated hereby and to sell, transfer and convey the Vehicle in accordance with the terms hereof;
•• The transfer of this Vehicle is lawful and rightful;
•• The Vehicle has a Clear and Marketable TITLE which SELLER has misplaced.
•• The Vehicle is FREE of all liens, encumbrances and liabilities whatsoever, and is free and clear of any lawful/adverse claims of any person whomsoever;
•• SELLER shall diligently defend, protect, indemnify and hold harmless Buyer and Buyer’s lawful successors, executors, heirs and assigns from any and all adverse claims made against the Vehicle by any persons whomsoever; and, ...
•• To the best of Seller’s knowledge, the information and facts disclosed herein with regard to the Vehicle and its TITLE are true and correct in all material respects.
Seller’s Warranties Relating to the Vehicle
___ Seller hereby notifies Buyer, and Buyer hereby acknowledges and agrees, that the Vehicle is being sold “AS IS” ~ "WITH ALL FAULTS" ~ "FOR SALVAGE -or- UNTIL REPAIRED AND INSPECTED" with the following warranties by checking or initialing the appropriate option
OR
____ a. “As is” without warranty of any kind, either express or implied, regarding the condition of the Vehicle. There are no warranties that extend beyond the description on the face hereof. Buyer has the right to inspect the Vehicle at any reasonable place and time and in a reasonable manner before the payment for or acceptance of the Vehicle. Seller assumes no responsibility for any repairs regardless of any oral statements made about the Vehicle.
___ b. With the following warranties on the Vehicle:
1.___________________________________________________________
2.____________________________________________________________3.____________________________________________________________
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, Seller and Buyer have hereto set their hands to this Bill of Sale and Transfer of Title, on this, the____day of,_______, 2012.
Signature of Seller & Title Holder: _____________________________________________________________
Print Name Seller:________________________________________________________Signature of Buyer:________________________________________________________Print Name of
Buyer:________________________________________________________
•• •• •• •• •• ••
State of ) County of )
On , before me, , appeared , personally known to me (or proved to me on the basis of satisfactory evidence) to be the person(s) whose name(s) is/are subscribed to the within instrument and acknowledged to me that he/she/they executed the same in his/her/their authorized capacity(ies), and that by his/her/their signature(s) on the instrument the person(s), or the entity upon behalf of which the person(s) acted, executed the instrument.
WITNESS my hand and official seal.
___________________________________________ Signature of Notary
Affiant _____Known_____Produced ID Type of ID _____________________
(Seal)

 

....and in the state of NY, the conversation would go like this:

I have this affidavit since I don't have the title

You don't have the title? We can't do anything without a title that has been signed by the individual listed on the front, and the buyer's line either empty for you to sign or your signature already there.

But a friend said that a lawyer-friend of his said that if I had a paper that said (all this) and we both signed it that it would be ok......

If you don't have a clear and signed title, we can not proceed.........Please do your research to get the title. We can search the records for the last known registrant, but you will have to pay for that service.

&^%$#%^&* $%^& !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been through it here......One bike took over two years to get the title tracked down and signed.



Dave

 

Thanks for the effort Rick,
That was more that I expected
I'll keep a copy of that, just in case that will work here in Canuckistan.

I've e-mailed the DMV with my questions, should have an answer tomorrow. (hope)
Will see what hoops I need to jump through. Or if they slam the door shut

 

Well, ...

There's more than one way to skin a cat.
Buy the Bike.
Get that Bill of Sale filled-out and signed.

You may have to take a day-off and grab the Ferry and come visit with me for a quick ride to the nearest Vermont DMV, ...
This might be worth a shot!
Because!!!
We can go through Vermont!!!

You DO NOT have to be a Vermont resident.
Simply fill out VT DMV forms DMV-VD119 Registration App Instructions and DMV-VD119-Vehicle Reg Tax Title App and send them along with a
::::>> Comprehensive Bill of Sale <<::::
Send the bill of sale and a check to the VT DMV. Both forms can be found here:

http://dmv.vermont.gov/fees/tax_title

•• You need to fill out the odometer disclosure form in the instruction book. In the Tax/Title Application form you need to fill out blocks 1A, 1B, 2, 3C, 4A, 5B, 6A, and 9.

•• The :::Comprehensive::: bill of sale has to be notarized and contain enough info to identify the bike, like VIN, color, make, model, year etc.
Fill out the paperwork and mail it all in to the VT DMV and 2 weeks later you should have permanent or temp registration and VT plates valid for 1 year in your mailbox.
(Or, ... maybe MY Mailbox) ::hint::

••That's step 1.

••Step 2. Take the Vermont registration and the title/registration application form for the bike to your DMV. When they ask why you don't have a title, just tell them that VT doesn't issue titles on vehicles over 20 years old.

Let em look it up if they want, you'll be fine. After they admit you don't need a title they should process your forms and the VT registration and issue you a title in your area. That completes step 2.

••Step 3. Put new title someplace safe, put your new plate on the bike, go riding.

Costs: Gas, tolls, and all expenses.

 

Hmmmmmm

Good to know, will keep that in mind

Would make for a fun trip

 

Buy it, get it to Ottawa, I'll do the affidavit and sell it back to you, honest, I will......

 

In Ontario all you need is the used vehicle package THEN you send a registered letter to the last owner on the information package. You do not need a reply from the last registered owner just proof that you tried to contact them. The receipt from the registered letter sent to him/her is all thats required. I checked it all out with the Ontario MOT. There are a lot of bikes for sale here that guys are selling cheap because of lost ownerships.

 

GAH!!! another set back, was hoping to get out for a look this weekend.... Thursdaym the wife stopped at the bank on her way home, and the van made a horrible noise...end result...broke axle and trashed transmission......not sure what went first, bit took out the other/// so that get priority...... funny part, she was on her way after that to pick up my new battery as mine tanked earlier in the week.... and for icing on the cake, calling for 6 inches of snow tomorrow.... what a messed up weekend...

On the + side, was talking to the guy that runs a local bike shop and he says a re-title can be done, it's a PITA but possible, so some good news at least...

 

Well ..... seems the price of the van repairs will be putting a halt, at least for now, on my 900 venture. At the point the van itself may be sold for parts and we'll have to source another 4 wheel device.....

 

If i was there, i would fix your van...

 

Van is now back home in our driveway, may be able to get her back up and running cheaper than we thought... waiting to hear....
Will take a while though.... guy is going away for a couple of weeks, but has his own garage to work in so no "shop" time
It's an 02 Chevy Venture, from what I've gathered it's VERY time consuming.... that being the biggest factor

So, the 900 may still be possible with a bit of planning and such...
of course the van was going to be used to transport it, so another vehicle will have to be sourced....

From the RMV (DMV), I can get it to my name by have a titled re-issued to the last known registered owner and having them sign it over....
$12 for title re-issue ( not bad) not sure how much a title search will run yet.... sooo idea not dead yet, just a few bugs to iron out... still hoping