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Discussion in 'XJ Technical Chat' started by dsrbgal, May 10, 2013.

  1. dsrbgal

    dsrbgal New Member

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    I have a 81 seca 750 -
    # 4 plug is black[dry]
    all others are nice
    valves just adjusted[#4 was the worst]
    #4 was pretty gummed up[wet] before the adjustment
    do you think it may have been carbon on the valve seat?
    do i need to readjust that valve-[intake]
     
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    quebecois59 Well-Known Member

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    I'd put a new plug and see if it makes a difference.
     
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    dsrbgal New Member

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    i swapped a known good one
     
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    quebecois59 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe you under-adjusted these valves. What did you do exactly?
     
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    dsrbgal New Member

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    i measured and swapped for a 250 but when i stuck it in it needed more clearance [i didn't have anything smaller so i sanded it down with emery cloth] and got the correct clearance.i did stick a wire between the valve and the head to retrieve the shim . this may have knocked some carbon off.
     
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    bigfitz52 Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    For starters, REPLACE THAT SHIM.

    You cannot "grind down" shims, they are only case-hardened. The hard surface doesn't go very deep at all. Don't destroy your motor to save $8.

    When you say "it was the worst" how tight was it?

    Fix the shim, and do a compression test on the motor. If the results of that come back fine and you're still blackening the #4 plug, it would tend to indicate a failing valve stem seal in that cylinder although not necessarily on the intake valve, it could be co-incidental to a degree. If the valve was uber-tight, it could have been overheated enough to cook its seal though.

    A wet-with-oil plug won't be caused by carbon on the valve seat. If the rings are OK (compression test) then it indicates a leaky valve stem seal.
     
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    .08mm--can the stem seal be replaced without removing the head?
     
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    There is something i don't understand. You wrote that the measured clearance of your intake valve was 0.08 mm, and that you swapped the shim for a 250. So I assume that you had a 255 before.

    If this is true, the 250 should have fitted correct and have given you the right clearance, no need to sand it down. I suspect that the shim wasn't sitting properly when you measured your clearance once you put the 250 shim in there.

    Follow bigfitz advice and keep us in touch.
     
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    the comp test[dry] was 95psi all others were 140 ish.Would a sticky ring cause this? i've been soaking it with deep creep.
     
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    also would like to add that the exhaust temp is always lower on that cylinder
     
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    It would be since at 95psi it's barely running.

    So now do a wet test, which should tell us if it's rings, or just a bad valve.

    Don't use too much oil, a scant tablespoon per will do. Test all 4 and let's have those numbers too.

    140-ish is good, quite decent actually so unless something bad has happened, I'd put my money on that cylinder probably being in as good a shape as the other three ring-wise with just a cooked valve.

    Diagnosis before panic is always the best course of action. If you're lucky it will simply need a valve job, and replace one or two valves. Good opportunity to replace the valve stem seals, get all the valves lapped, clean everything up nicely-- it sure "freshens up" a motor if the pistons/rings/cylinders are still fine.
     
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    it went up to 125 wet-still a little low
     

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