Idiots

cyclenoob... that was a really good thought provoking article. thanks for sharing.

 

I have no sympathy for these azzholes who take our preferred mode of transportation and uses them as toys then crie's foul when they "poke somone's eye out with that thing".

These people have no respect for the rules of the road, you wanna do tricks on your bike, find an abandoned parking lot in the industrial area... not a busy two lane highway...

 

It really was, almost to a fault.
In the eyes of the law ~ in the eyes of morality ~ in the eyes of the media spin (Range Rover vs Pinto)
I am more confused than an Amish guy in a Radio Shack store. :?

Prejudice, bias and assumptionos are human evils that we all need to wrestle with everyday.

 

Yeah, to quote: "...he was named a habitual traffic offender in June and his right to drive was revoked until 2017; he does not have a motorcycle license, records show."

Full article: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10 ... h-suv?lite

 

Better yet, take a cue from the sports car clubs of the 1950's...pool your money and buy land to build an event site on. Or follow the example of rallycross clubs, many of which lease land so that they can hold races.

Pods are for making doppelgangers, and killing astronauts that want to shut the ship's computer down.

 

I would never want to cause such harm to anyone and it is sad that the guy got injured. in that article his wife is quoted as saying it was irrelevant that he had no license because he wasn't on his bike when he was hit. what kind of justification is that?

CN

 

Videos the camera guy deleted from Youtube of them riding before the incident.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/the-fo ... 36/@orlove

 

Hope that link worked, I found it at home earlier, at work now and it doesn't like that website what with the web blocker. Anyways, they were being complete douchebags the whole day, splitting lanes at high speeds, running red lights, riding on sidewalks, harrassing people everywhere. Were I the driver, I would have stayed to the freeway and ran over any that got close. My family's life and my life before their shit life....working with assholes like that at the prison has changed my perspective and lowered my sympathy for people who go out causing trouble.

 

Maybe...... And agrevated assault, etc, etc etc...... but you would think self defense would play a role there...

If it were me in that SUV with my family?...Would it be worth it to protect my family?.... you betcha!! I would have done the same!!! The 'bikers' got what they asked for ........ in the real world. I would not have stopped in the traffic though, I would have headed back in the direction I came from.... and looked for a police station..... until then, my family could get attacked by that pack of animals.... stopping was OBVIOUSLY not an option!!

I love sport bikes..... its a shame that these gangs have to pick on the general public like that. I wish they would just attack each other and leave everyone else alone.

I hope the general public is made aware of how the vast majority of riders feel about this. That video was sickening.... doesnt matter what happened before or after.... The lives of the family in the SUV were threatened; The driver did what he is supposed to do.

 

Supposedly he went off the freeway because they slashed his tires the second time he slowed down and he was afraid of being stuck on the freeway alone with them, thought being more in public would save him. Also, that particular gang blocks traffic from the freeway so that they can do stunts really fast down the road, why one had a camera, why they were boxing him in and slowing down, they wanted to force him to move out of the way. (All this from the officers forum from NYPD officers stating that these guys are a menace and that help couldn't get to the man because traffic was backed up from the ramps being blocked by them.)

 

I CANT BELIEVE the support the guy in the car is getting!
Yes, the bikers were being stupid and should all pay speeding and wreckless driving fines
Yes, the driver should pay for medical bills, and damages done
But if he would have got out of his car, apologized, and exchanged inusrance information this wouldnt have been so bad!
Instead, he RUNS OVER multiple bikes!
He got what he deserved! What if the bikes he ran over WERE ANOTHER BIKERS WIFE OR KID!? Thats what you get for being stupid. Everyone on that video is responsible and liable for something.
Wouldnt have been so bad if he acted like a human being and not a panicked driver
-Chris

 

Don't ya think if the guy in the SUV wanted to hurt the gang members he would have started swerving all over the place when they were riding all around him? It don't take much to knock someone off a bike with an SUV. Those bike riding aholes were looking for trouble.

 

Oh, bullshit. I wanna see how non-panicked you would be faced with a couple of dozen of angry punks. Far too easy to armchair quarterback this.

 

I certainly wouldnt run over a whole mob of them thats for sure

 

Haha we might have to stop this thread or it may get too heated.

 

For the record, Ive been run over twice. Never been angry enough to chase down the culprits. Just mature enough to exchange insurance information

 

SLKid was there a group of pissed people slashing your tires and beating on your rig trying to get to you when you were in your accidents. I would guess not which means their is no comparison. Had the bikers chilled out left the car alone and called authorities (and an ambulance/ride to the hospital for their friend) instead of attacking the car like goons the rest wouldn't have happened. The bikers started it and then escalated it to a point where the driver feared for his and his families lives I would have run them over too.

 

Yeah but when he tapped the guy no one was beating at his windows.
They destroyed his car AFTER he sped off
In the video, everyone stopped, probably to make sure the biker was ok, a couple bikers approach their fallen comrade, and the car takes off over 3 guys.
He wasnt "threatened" until after he committed vehicular manslaughter
In any case, EVERYONE was wrong in this video. Both sides took it way out of hand

 

The latest that I've read indicates that the tires of the Range Rover were slashed immediately following the initial (and likely planned) accident, and that the gang attempted to open the passenger door, prompting the driver to flee.

 

If it got me,my wife and child out of danger I'd run over as many as I had to, the blame rest soley on the riders, they acted like arseholes and paid the price

 

A single bike/ car accident certainly would open up nicely to a civilized exchange of information.

Slkid; did you see the other videos that showed this pack of bikes moving throught the city? They certainly were NOT treating anyone respectfully. Expecting someone in a pack with that type of mentality, to step up and behave in a mature fashion by exchanging insurance information is a gamble that I don't think many of us would take.

 

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/217012.php

 

If nothing else it is bloody amazing how much is on camera from different view points and put on the innanet for all to see these days.
" No wonder the world gets suckier every f#$%ing day. "

It's a self-centred, self replicating, self feeding monster. Breeding more of the same.

 

Sounds an awful lot like liberals I know who think we can just sit down to talk things out with terrorists and radical muslims. You have to remember: we're not dealing with rational or reasonable people here! These people (in both cases) have truly bad intentions and cannot be dealt with diplomatically.

I absolutely would have done the same thing and I'm willing to bet anyone who argues differently doesn't have any kids of their own. You put me in that position with my little lady in the back seat and those MF'ers putting her life in danger? ..it would have been a friggin' bloodbath. GUARANTEED.

I live in South Dakota where there's a lot less crime and it seems like maybe the average resident has a little more common sense and compassion than bigger cities but watching that video was enough to convince me to dust off the ol' concealed weapons permit.

 

One thing we are missing (and this is critical) is what transpired specifically after the minor accident (initial bump by the SUV).

We see from the video the SUV stops and is surrounded by bikes shortly after.

From our perspective we don't really know what happened to the SUV driver to cause him to panic (I specifically say panic since this precisely what he did), with so many people around the SUV, no facts on what transpired at that moment, we are really in no position to judge his actions.

Maybe someone pulled a gun?
Some mention of slashing of the SUV tires?
Was he being threatened?
Etc...

I'm guessing the driver is staying quiet, probably a smart thing to do...

Wife and kids in the car and your in the middle of a gang of pissed off thugs on the freeway intent on causing trouble, what do you do?

 

Atticka check out the link gunnabuild1 posted it has the best breakdown of what happened in the initial confrontation that I have seen. http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/217012.php

 

Do a little digging online and you'll see that some of the bikers belong to regional 'MCs' (Sons of Anarchy style, maybe), and there are rumors of smash-and-grab tactics where they target a rich driver, brake check, get him to stop, then harass him for cash instead of insurance claims.

 

When even my wife's aunt - far from a biker - has watched the videos and heard the news, how can you actually miss the details?

He hit a bike (bumped it) then stopped like a good citizen. When he was attacked, he drove away. It was the slashed tires that caused him to stop later. How would the bikers be able to slash his tires as he was was speeding down the highway???

At least be properly informed if your gonna side with the offenders.
I have kids, and luckily live in a state where deadly force is allowed from inside the car. I wouldn't have needed to drive away :wink:

I also come from a family of motorcycle enthusiasts. As a kid I was often on the back of a Honda Interstate among a 30 pack or more of bikes. If anyone did or suggested pulling a brake check to stop an SUV then surround it and intimidate the driver, I would probably not be a bike rider today. OR I would be a criminal today if that was my main influence on how to behave as an adult.
Our stops were usually good restaurants, not places to f**k with people.

BTW, there were undercover cops among the bikers. Think about that.

 

This story just keeps getting more and more crazy. Looks like one of the bikers was an undercover or off-duty cop.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?secti ... id=9279068

 

Nice breakdown, provides some additional insight that's for sure.

I'm not condoning running people over, but the driver of the SUV may have genuinely feared for his and his family's life and needed to remove himself from the situation.

 

apparently there were 2 cops present. one of them was caught on video beating on the suv.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/08/us/bikers ... torysearch

later in this article it is stated that the biker that filmed the video, turned his camera on after seeing a water bottle thrown from the sunroof of the suv at the bikers.

interesting news indeed.

CN

 

The off duty cops are in big DO DO for being there and not doing anything about the situation!

 

"later in this article it is stated that the biker that filmed the video, turned his camera on after seeing a water bottle thrown from the sunroof of the suv at the bikers."

While I don't doubt this is possible it strikes as rather unlikely behaviour.
You would have a hard time throwing a water bottle at anybody from the sunroof,you could throw it out of the sunroof but you would probably have to actually stand up and stick your upper body out of it to actually THROW something at a biker.
Just a little self serving don't you think?
He went on a run with his friends and didn't turn the camera on before the "incident" ?

 

granted, it did seem kinda odd to me too. however, you have to consider what was it that caused the bikers to single out this particular motorist. it will be interesting to see if there are anymore new developments in this strange story.

obviously none of us know for sure what actually went on that day because we weren't there.

why can't we all just get along and play nice?

CN

 

Mate 99.9% of us do.The only thing that keeps the road & traffic system going is a 'social compact'that we have all agreed to.We all will will stop at Stop signs we will Give Way when the sign indicates and all that other stuff.
Unfortunately that social compact seems to be breaking down and groups like these idiot's are the most obvious sign.
It's not a coincidence that a large proportion of this and other groups just like them are made up of unlicenced or disqualified drivers with unregistered and unroadworthy equipment.

 

Or, you know...the Law.

There are consequences to these actions, be it financial or physical.

 

The Law is an intrinsic part of that compact but it's officers can't be all places at once.
Nor are they always reliable.

 

when seconds count, the police are but minutes away...

CN

 

Seems like always the problem.

I don't have any sympathy for the people getting charged. If they really want to send a message, they should also charge the man who is paralyzed. He wasn't even supposed to be riding without a license... until 2015 at least.

 

While I agree, I think that mr. karma has handled this one well enough :wink:

 

C'mon, Dan......everyone knows that it's not MR. Karma------

Karma's a B/+@& !