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4 wires on start button??

Discussion in 'XJ Modifications' started by myasylum, Jun 21, 2014.

  1. myasylum

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    I bought a throttle controller from a 86 Radain, and it has 4 wires on the start button vs. 2 on the Seca.

    What are the 4 wires for? You think they can just be spliced together? 2 and 2?

    Thanks!!
     
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    Anyone?? The two red/White wires are for the kill switch, I get that. and the black is the ground obviously. Can the other three be soldered together?
     

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    first thing you have to do is get a meter. then figure out how to use the continuity part of it, touch the leads together it beeps.
    now find two wires that will beep when you push the start button and stop beeping when you let it go.
    use those wires. don't do anything with the other ones, tape them up, cut them off but don't put them together.
    as a general rule, it's not a good idea to put wires together if you don't know that they should be together
    all you need is a meter that beeps for now. 5$ at harbor freight
     
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    Thank you sir!!
     
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    If you think I really only need two wires, what do you suppose the other two do??

    Thanks!
     
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    Ok, I bought a multimeter... and found 2 wires that buzz (the top two in the bottom picture). Neither one is a ground wire.
    When I hit the start button, the buzz stops! Shouldn't it be the other way around?


    Thanks! !
     
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    START buttons typically work by creating a circuit (to ground) for the "hot" lead off of the starter solenoid/relay. On most XJ models, the blue/white stripe wire is the "hot" lead from the solenoid, and pushing the start button allows that lead to be connected to ground (thus allowing current to flow "thru" and thus energizing the relay, which then allows/forces the solenoid to function.....the solenoid "connects" the big positive battery lead to the starter motor hot lead. The "ground" (that pushing the start button allows) is usually the black wire, but some control switches simply use the switch body and the handlebars, etc. as the ground "circuit".
     
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    no two wires beep when you push start? double check, if not, then look for one wire that beeps to the frame of the switch when you push start and one that beeps to the frame of the switch all the time
     
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    Of course my NEW multimeter I bought yesterday no longer works! :evil:
    So who knows??

    Back to the store...
     
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    Ok...

    I think I have this figured out... (now that I have a better multumeter)

    Two of the wires seem like constants. Im not sure why? They go off when the power button is pushed in

    Two other wires however (Ground and blue/white as Chacal stated) turn on when the power button is pushes in.

    I assume I should use the Ground and blue/white wire and discard the other two.

    I can't help but to wonder how this setup is suppose to work?!

    Thanks for the help guys!
     
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    On the Maxim-X the lights go off when the starter button is pushed to give the starter all the juice it can use. The Raiden, being a close cousin of the X may have a similar system.
     
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    Well that's fascinating! Huh?! Makes sense.

    Thanks EskimoJoe!
     
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    Just thinking... could you then just run the headlight from throttle control switch??? I think I like that, that could be nifty.

    Thanks!
     
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    k-moe Pie, Bacon, Bourbon. Moderator Premium Member

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    You'd run into two issues. Firstly the switch isn't rated for the amperage that the headlight will draw, so you'd need to use a relay. Secondly the headlight needs to stay off during starting otherwise the starter won't be able to draw enough amps to spin the engine and have it start reliably.
     
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    Well, that's what the switch does, turns off power while the starter is on . Once the switch is off, power is directed back to the headlight.
    The amperage I'm unsure of.
     
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    sorry but this isn't making any sense. you say "control the headlight"...as in turn it off/on. why do that?
    if that's all those two wires do, i doubt it, they'll only do whatever while you hold the button in. and while the button is in the starter is going.
    i doubt that switch carries the current for the headlight, it probably operates a relay that does
    just make it start and forget it
     

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