First Start since 2007

Shot with GoPro......currently experimenting with new camera....anyway

First time starting this since 2007.....I have gone thru this entire bike with many questions being asked here over the years & many advice & answers have been given...

I would like to take the opportunity to thank everyone for their wisdom & guidance over the years.....it has been a long & slow road to this point....

Actually, I stopped riding it in the 2008 timeframe and neglected the bike until about April 2013...at which point I started to go thru everything front to back and top to bottom.....I was in no hurry.....but I am pleased to say here I am and at least it started....

Not bad for just a bench sync...but I have a ways to go....vac sync, then colortune, & then vac sync again....

I did notice my tachometer was not working...no movement...I will have to check the 3 wire connection and trace wiring back to source....

Let me know what you think of video.....kind of repeated myself...i guess I was happy it started.....damn near went thru everything.....

I probably will be asking questions in the near future on the vac sync & colortuning process..

And Again....Thanks for all the Advice in the past & the Future as well....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTqFYcF8w98



Jeff

 

Fixed your link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTqFYcF8w98

I need to do the same for my fuse block, I have a few ugly looking in-lines and yours looks pretty darn nice.

 

Way to go jeff!!! I couldn't get that video to play. It's probably me though. Let me know how the sync goes.

 

Boston, Thanks for the link fix.....that fuse block is just a std 6 line fuse block from Napa...pretty cheap but not the best option.....Chacal sells better fuse block & covered...I may go that route in the near future....

XJrider - thanks to you for the caps & K-Moe for testing my ignitor and to Fitz, & friends & everyone one this forum.....I owe it all to those that come here to offer free advice & know-how.....

You & I will be heading to the high country soon.....Palomar, or the Laguna's, or Cuyuamca.....or to the beach for some fun & sun.....

Won't get to vac sync or colortuning til next weekend......

Need to trouble shoot tach......I have a slight leak under bike....not sure if it is from the temporary fuel line I am using or one of the bowl gaskets may have slight leak....

So all is not over yet......but the hardest part is behind me....

Jeff

 

What's the leak? Fuel or oil? My tach stopped working once all I need to do was tighten it.

But also have you seen this? Another one from fitz.
http://xjbikes.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=19538.html

 

Smells like gas.....

My tach is electric......3 wire connection ( Brown, Gray, & Black wire connection inside headlight bucket ).....looks good there.....

Black wire goes to Ground
Gray wire goes to 4 wire plug connection at TCI Ignitor
Brown wire is tied in to Signal fuse (10A)

Will have to see if I can find the problem.......???

 

I believe I may have a gas/oil mix problem.....Took top of airbox off & air filter out.....it looks a little wet inside the front of the airbox.......good thing is I caught it early I believe.....

Carbs I guess need to be pulled so float adjustments can be looked at.....& wet-set again or float needle (s) is ( are ) not closing properly.....

Here we go.....

 

are you sure that airbox oil is fresh? it might have been there a long time.
your camera gets a washed out look every once in awhile, what's up with that

 

There is a vent for the crankcase with a tube attached to the airbox, this is not uncommon to find some oil in there, but if you have lots of gas smelling oil in there, it could be that your crankcase is flooded with gas.

 

Polock, This funny, what's up with the camera.....this airbox pic was taken at night with a flashlight shining down in there with camera phone with no flash on......hence the appearance of the washed out look....

I have identified the source of the leak.....I am getting a steady drip coming from #2 carb body where it meets the airboot.....hence it is dripping from the clamp screw of the airboot-to- carb body.....

To start this bike for the first time....I took the gas tank off the bike and sat it at an elevation higher than bike and took 2 4 foot pieces of vacuum tubing to ran from tank to bike........That's right.... I used vacuum tubing for the gas line because it was cheaper....lol

Carb bodies # 1, #3, #4 look fine - all 4 float bowl gaskets look fine....there is no leakage of fuel along the fuel rail......throttle seals & fuel O-rings were replaced a year ago....no miles were put on the bike.....float bowls sat empty of fuel from the rebuild April 2013.......also gas tank sat empty from April 2013.......just filled today for first time....

So I have something going on with #2 carb.....could be bad float needle or sticky float......

 

i was talking about the movie, at 1:35 to 1:40 it changes a few times.
sun hitting the lense, then shadow ?

 

Yeah...I noticed that too.....first time for that....GoPro's are great camera....should not be doing that.....I have had it in the ocean quite a few times with underwater housing.....no problem yet....but I did notice that washing out on the video....

 

Here is what is going on...

The cup on the top is after draining all 4 fuel bowls after I have starting this bike about 5 times......running for about 1-2 minutes maybe each time....

The cup on the bottom is gas directly from tank....

So it appears:

I have a either a gas mixing with oil problem.....caused by a stuck float needle not properly shutting off ......does this mean that gas is flowing back thru the air boot into the airbox and getting sucked into the crankcase thru the rebreather tube ????

or

I have a oil mixing with gas problem......is it possible to have overfilled the crankcase and the oil is getting sucked in the airbox thru the rebreather tube and then into the airboot and mixing with the gas & getting into the float bowls ???? Any ideas here ????

Any insight is greatly appreciated......

I have not drained oil yet......

Thanks.....

 

Remove the oil filler cap and smelle your crankcase oil. If there is a strong gas smell, dont't start the bike again. You'll have to take care of your float levels.

It is pretty common to have to deal with sticky floats with a bike stored for a long period.

 

Either scenario is possible; the cause is likely the same: gas is probably getting into the crankcase.

You would have had to have horribly overfilled it for it to pump clean oil into the airbox; you didn't put like 4 Qts of oil in or anything did you?

You probably have a stuck float or three or four. STOP RUNNING THE MOTOR until diagnosed and corrected.

 

How is oil getting into the float bowls then ????

 

If the crankcase is having its contents increased by the addition of large amounts of gasoline, the resultant mix will pump up through the breather and go everywhere.

OPEN THE OIL FILLER CAP. INSERT NOSE. SNIFF. Smell strongly of gas?

Check oil level with bike on centerstand. How much oil did you put in it?

 

I agree. When I first filled this I could see right thru the oil.. You mentioned the bubble should be right at top of the window.....I believe I put in the called amount with new oil filter......but I will measure the amount that comes out.....right now looking the glass window, it looks pretty dark in there.....LOL.....so you guys are right.....I probably have large amts of gas in there ......I will drain the oil & change the filter once again......& pull carbs again, clean & wet set once again.....

Here we go....

Thanks & much appreciated.....

 

While you're in it, polish the float valve seats with AUtosol or any polishing compound applied on a Q-tip.

Cut the other end of the Q-tip and put the remaining in a Dremmel or a hand-drill chuck and give it a go!

It will prevent the floats to get stuck again.

 

Drained my oil tonight & took oil filter out too......

Measured the drain:

2600ml or 2600cm3 or 88 fl oz or 2.75 qts.....so at least I know it was not overfilled...there was a slight smell of gas to it....not strong but slight.....anyway off to the recycling center with oil & filter....

Since the bike has no mileage since I have been restoring it , it just goes to show you how quickly....with minutes......the gas can mix the oil from most likely an improper working Float seat (s) or float needle (s)

This bike was only started maybe for 4 or 5 times for a 1-2 minutes each time.

My question is: does the airbox fill up with gas to the point where it enters the rebreather hole or is there just a strong vacuum in there that the gas enters the airbox and gets immediately sucked into the rebreather hole.....

Just curious & perlexed ......I would think that it would be the latter.....the air filter was completely dry......

Also the oil looked very dark.....is that the color it turns to with mixing with 85 ethanol sh*t gas here in SoCal.....

Any ideas ???

I guess I will place an order to Chacal & replace all 4 with the steel tipped needles as we have 85 ethanol out here in SoCal which attacks the rubber tipped needles

Any ideas ???