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New superbike?

Discussion in 'Other Motorcycles' started by Captain_Panic, Oct 1, 2014.

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    A post I posted elsewhere:

    Not in love with front end. Looks like one of those old Japanese war masks:
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    And the wings almost seem like a gimmick. But I would suspect for a 300 HP bike they are most likely very functional and do create some down draft. I donno. But I absolutely love it from the rear and sides. Looks pretty wicked!

    I think its going to grow on people fast. Good time to buy Kawasaki stock.
     
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    I like the Ducati Scrambler 800cc on the same page , top left.
     
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    How about a mountain spirit to go with it? :Blackalien
     
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    Wings, hmmm.
    Aerodynamics are a funny thing and what's good for cars and airplanes , well just doesn't neccessarly mean it's good for bikes.
    Car wings are engineered to create down force more in the front more in the rear side to side, but the bottom line is they are pushing against 4 tires on the ground.
    Airplanes are designed to create lift and have no contact with the ground. Therefore windshear while still a factor, merely means a bumpy jerky ride.
    On a Bike, windshear means blowing left to right (ever pass a Semi and get pushed by the bow wave?)
    At 200+ mph the bike doesn't know if it wants to squat or fly! Aero's on these new bikes help tremendously with downforce, but by the very nature of shape the front and rear tires create areas of lift(think hydroplaning but on air not water. Added wing downforce presents a huge bonus in trying to overcome the lift generated by the tires profile, but could easily make the bike difficult to control or recover at 200mph speeds.
    Which brings us to Aerodynamics.
    Suzuki spent a tremendous amount of time and money to develop a "better" aero package than what was currently available. No BS no jive, just well known facts. I takes 200RWHP to push the Busa's aero package 200mph. Surface area and drag coefficient remain the same but as speed increases hp must increase exponentially. 150hp gets you into the 170's (Busa #'s)30% increase(200hp) gets you 200mph the next 50rwhp is only going to gain you around 15mph! (215ish) as a general rule, 300 RWHP gets you into the 25/230mph range. Granted these numbers are based on Busa aero's and no one knows what the drag coefficient is on the new bike yet.
    With a stock wheelbase the ability to accellerate on this bike will be severely limited. But hey, I'm game for trying to set a new production top speed! Gimme the keys!
     
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    Not me, I’m too much of a… um… “chicken” to go that fast:eek:. Heck, my speedo only goes to 85 and it has never been buried. I do enjoy getting up to 60 fast though.
     
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    FASTA!FASTA! FASTA!( faster!faster!faster! That's what he said before he died)
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    Yes it's mine
     
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    Well, they certainly aren't messing around, are they?
     
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    Would make sense although I'm not sure a tuneable pop off might not work as well
     
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    k-moe Pie, Bacon, Bourbon. Moderator Premium Member

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    The reason for the transmission is to keep the supercharger making optimal boost from idle to redline, which is something that a pop-off valve can not do.
     
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    Good point! Even with modern technology 200+ RWHP is more than most riders can comprehend much less use. Stretched 6" over and lowered as far as possible my Wife's Busa still lifted in the bottom of 3rd and didn't drop the front until somewhere in the 160mph range. I can't imagine MORE hp on a stock wheelbase! I wonder if it has traction/wheelie control. Still want to try one! Chances are the Wife stands a better chance of getting a ride than I do she's the fast one in our family!
     
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    Notorius, try a little Kroil, and that bolt will come right out of your finger :)
     
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    Yeah, about that,,,, it was on a restoration I am doing. You know the guy, he's the one that forces a coarse std thread into a metric fine nut! I hate cleaning up other peoples mistakes.
     
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    that sir, is what you call hillbilly loc-tite
     
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    Russian bikes come like that from the factory. Dipping fasteners into saltwater prior to assembly is another method that they use.
     
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    Not sure I see the point of this except as a drag strip queen or just something unique to own and show off. Its beautifully put together and I think some of this technology will show up in other models in a more practical way. The bike cant compete in racing classes and is too heavy anyways by a long shot. I am sure it would be eaten alive by any of the up and coming crotch rockets around the average track. Its not all about HP, its about control.
     
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    Much like the Ducati D16RR (Desmocedici), no class existed in which it could race, it was completely impractical for street riding, and even on the track an 1098 would hold its own against it with any rider less than a pro level racer, essentially it was a showpiece. At least Ducati had the sense to offer free maintenance for the original owner for two years, and the smart owners took them to the track regularly and got frequent engine rebuilds until that warranty ran out. THEN they parked the bike in the living room as a piece of engineering art.
     

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