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valve cover bolt holes stripped... options?

Discussion in 'XJ Technical Chat' started by mrredbaron, Apr 30, 2015.

  1. mrredbaron

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    Right side, front two outer valve cover bolt holes are stripped. I have no idea what to do because the valve cover bolts are so unique.. Right now I'm considering adding some sort of c-clamp to stop a valve cover leak. I have no experience as a machinist so any ideas are welcome.

    Help!
     
  2. k-moe

    k-moe Pie, Bacon, Bourbon. Moderator Premium Member

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    While the bolts themselves are somewhat unique, the threads are a standard metric thread. A shop can put inserts in the stripped holes. If you want to do it yourself it's not terribly difficult, but you should buy extra inserts and practice putting them into a peace of scrap before fixing your head. I'm currently on a break at work, but can post more information on the process later.
     
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    What year/model bike are you working on?
     
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    82 550 maxim. I'll call shops tomorrow for a quote.
     
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    Looks right
     

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    Got a 1/4in drill bit? An adjustable wrench? All you need is a Helicoil kit. You drill out what is left of the threads in the (relatively) soft aluminum, tap some new threads for the insert, and place the insert into thenew hole. Done. I did all 8 of my outer bolts last year cuz 3 were leaking, so the others were only a matter of time. Only took 20 mins for the whole shebang. Kit cost $40 and can be found at most auto shops, though I keep finding them for cheaper at tool shops. They come with (I think) 12 inserts, so you can even have leftovers. Which is fortunate, since it's a very common size on our bikes. Had to Helicoil my chain tensioner. Works like a charm.

    The thread size you need is M6 P1.0
     
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    Just remember to put some painters tape across the oil galleries. Wouldn't wanna get chunks of aluminum floating in places you don't want floaties.
     
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    The tricky bit (and the reason why I recommend practicing first) is drilling the hole dead straight. Because of the nature of how the valve cover bolts seat (the wide lower shoulder of the bolt seats flat on the cylinder head), the insert cannot be askew, or you risk cracking the head when the bolts are tightened.

    It is a very easy DYI job, but practice drilling a straight hole with a handheld drill and putting an insert or two into some scrap aluminum, or hardwood.
     
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    Drilling the hole straight is the key. Also don't drill to far down. Drill slow also a lube would probably help. I just did 3 threads on my 550. Took like 20 mins. Got it all back together and leaks are gone. M6 x 1.0 metric is what I used with a 1/4 drill bit. Good luck.
     
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    helicoil is the way to go...

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    Okay. Just bought the helicoil M6 x 1 kit from amazon for ~$26. Took a bolt into auto zone and confirmed its a M6x1 so should be good there. With prime shipping it arrives Thursday.

    Any tips for drilling straight? I know my way around a hand drill well enough, but I mean should I prop the bike so I can come at it straight down and use the bubble level on the drill? How freaked out should I be by "drill it straight." I'm gonna be pretty darn careful.
     
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    the drill is going to want to follow the hole that's already there, but another set of eyes always helps. The other set of eyes can run a vacuum too.
    tapping always goes better with a tap wrench too. If you use something with one handle it's harder to keep the tap straight. WD-40 for tap lube, two turns in, then out, clean the tap and back in.
    you'll be fine.
     
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    If you have a variable speed drill just go slow. If you have a single speed drill you will need to be a little careful at the beginning of each hole. In either case drilling the hole out in stages will get you a straight hole with less chance of getting crossways. Don't worry if you don't have a bit that falls between the size of the current hole, and the final hole for the insert. It's perfectly fine to drill in a single stage.
     
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    I have been having this exact issue
    ordered a kit
    will the bolts I have work in the newly tapped holes then?
    I can't imagine finding another bolt to fasten the valve cover with
     
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    Yes, that's the point. The bolts are an M6 P1.0 thread. So are the holes in the head. The threads in the head are pooched cuz they are aluminum. The bolts are steel (I think, someone correct me if I'm wrong), and they outlast the aluminum threads in the head. All you are doing is removing the old threads in the head, and placing a new set of steel threads that are M6 P1.0 in the head.
     
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    awesome!
    so sick of weeping issues with my bike
    I had a bent valve cover and I have torn up the holes
    can't wait to have my bike back on the road
     
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    The weeping could also be an old rubber gasket and donuts. Food for thought. (Pun intended)
     
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    nope and nope
    bent valve cover messed everything up
    I have broken 3 camshaft mounts
    and the last one that broke I can't find all the broken parts
    I got most of the aluminum chunks
    but one small one remains
    I am hoping it is in the oil filter
    but the bolt is stripped
    so I am going to be cutting it in the next few days
    what a nightmare
     
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    The threads are pooched because someone over torqued the fasteners. Threads don't just go away by themselves. Either exceeding torque specifications, corrosion, or using a fastener that has a high galvanic index when next to the other metal is what causes thread damage. One really good method for dealing with the first one is to have a service manual and a torque wrench. The second issue is dealt with by using a thread locking compound, or anti-seize(depending on the application). The third requires a bit of thought and research. For example stainless steel and aluminum have a high galvanic index when in contact with one another, and will eventually become corroded into a single, nearly irremovable piece.
     
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    I will admit to over torquing
    mostly due to the bent valve cover
    will helicoil
    still searching for small shard of aluminum
    hope to find it tomorrow
    do not I have a new valve cover and Len is shipping replacement mount
    will tackle Friday
     

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