DAMSEN IN DESTRESS tid 1404 iGNITOR configuration

hi can someone explain the configuration of the blade connectors on the 2 x blocks of a TID 1404 Ignitor. having to do a complete rewire.

Have been given help before but it still didnt fire up.

Any help would be great, as in the workshop mauals/ pictures on internet none show where there wires/blade connect to or from

thanks

 

they should...do you know how to read a wiring diagram ????

what yr & model is your bike......what is the SN # of your bike.......stamped on engine by oil filler hole.......example 15R-XXXXXX


this is from an 1982 wiring diagram - 1982 XJ750J Maxim - follow this diagram & x-ref your wiring colors that you are using in the pic above.......

 

that is definitely a hack job on your TCI ignitor......are those wires soldered into the blade connectors....can't tell.....

 

They all look to be just crimped, and one is crimped incorrectly ( I can see bare wire between the crimp insulation and the wire insulation).
On the wiring diagram you have to be aware that the TCI plugs and the harness plugs are shown as if the harness plugs have been removed and rotated back as if they were on hinges.

 

you are correct on the drawing......one can always tell by the orientation of the plug thou .....how it is turned, if opened as appearing like it is on a hinge, how many blade connectors there are ...etc....etc....

This drawing should give her the info that she needs....it is pretty basic.......

 

I only mention it becaues 30 years ago that drawing was confusing to me. It was one of the first wiring diagrams I had ever looked at (funny how it took almost 30 years for me to actually get an XJ though).

 

k-moe....i agree....they are confusing at first......like you said......look like they are hinged.......takes a little bit to get used to

 

But their wiring diagrams were for the most part ...pretty comprehensive.......

 

wires are just crimped on, the wire thats poorly crimped is the earth wire and slightly thicker than the rest.
is there anyway of checking the TCI unit to see if its in working. having double checked all the connections, connected the battery there is nothing.....
thanks guys

 

send your TCI to someone with a known good running bike of like kind.......have them test it for you......

 

Or, as with the XJ750 Seca, you could be so lucky as to have the diagram labeled incorrectly on the TCI in both the factory FSM and the Haynes, which really adds to the confusion:




Thinking of a hinge is one way, but really the connectors should be thought of as "front view" or "rear view", and the diagram or manual should have included a key to notate which. Same is true for connectors that label the pins 1, 2, 3, etc or A, B, C, etc. Front or rear views should be notated.

Also, as the OP posted asking to verify the wiring, many of the wiring diagrams do not include the connector configuration. Not sure if she has access to one.

It looks like this link should have answered your questions:

http://www.xjbikes.com/forums/threads/minimal-wiring.66321/page-2#post-465066

A bit difficult to tell from your photo if you have it right. The correct pins are connected, but did you change color on the wire on the 4 pin connector? There is a blue wire hooked up, that is normally a Red/White wire and supplies 12V to the TCI.

 

the shape of the plug is the key to reading them,

 

thanks ..........the minimal wiring thread is the wiring loom i am working with. but as the diagram shows it doesnt show the layout of the 2 blocks of blades and connections.

Yes the blue wire has been changed over from the joining red/white wires from the coils

the only wire i dont have is the black and white wire connected to bottom left on the 6 pin block, as i thought this was a safety wire and isnt used on the minimal wire diagram.... do i need to connect this and where is it coming from?

thanks

 

That Black and white wire ( B/W ) needs to be connected to the the side stand relay........

 

I believe the European bikes did not have the side stand safety circuit, so the B/W wire may not even exist on her bike. Also, the function of the B/W wire via the side stand relay is to place that pin at ground when the side stand is down and the bike is not in neutral, which disables the TCI. If it is not connected the TCI will be enabled and should fire the coils if all else is well.

That said, disabling safety circuits should only be done for troubleshooting purposes.

Yes, the key (shape) is important, but front or rear view is just as important as the wires will reverse from one to the other.