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little flat spots that go away

Discussion in 'XJ Technical Chat' started by quebecois59, Sep 22, 2016.

  1. quebecois59

    quebecois59 Well-Known Member

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    I've experienced this a few times in the last weeks: I ride the bike at mid-range on country roads, then I open the throtlle wide to pass, and I feel like two or three flat spots while accelerating, between 5000 and 7000 rpms. It goes away beyond 7000. If I try to repeat the experience with the same kind of acceleration just a little bit later, it won't do it, it is a very smooth and constant acceleration.

    I felt the same flat spots when entering the highway and opening the throttle almost fully.

    Any idea what would cause this ? Fuel mix looked fine when I showed you my spark plugs a few weeks ago.
     
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    k-moe Pie, Bacon, Bourbon. Moderator Premium Member

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    Clutch slip maybe?
    Drain the float bowls into seperate containers. What does the fuel look like?
     
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    It doesn't feel like clutch slippage, because the flat spots don't last more than 1/4 second each.

    I'll drain the bowls tomorrow and report what I'll find. I have an inline fuel filter, but it could be faulty.

    I can't tell for sure if the flat spots actually go away or if I very slightly change the way I accelerate when I notice this behaviour.

    I may add that I can't hear any change in engine note when it happens, so if it is fuel supply cuts, they should be very very short.
     
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    How old is your throttle cable?
     
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    I'm more curious about the fuel quality. Sometimes bad things get into the holding tanks, and then into your tank.
     
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    How clean are your pilot jets ?
     
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    They might be clean, I did them last fall.
     
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    I haven't had time to drain the bowls, but I had the thought this morning that it may be caused by low levels of fuel in one or two bowls (fuel starvation at WOT). I'll have to re-check my floats heights later this fall.
     
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    when I got the little flat spots that you as you discribed I cleaned my air filter and replaced the spark plugs and they went away
     
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    "Simple things first" is a good rule. This said, I changed the plugs in 2013 when I bought the bike and I've almost not ridden it since. Air filter shoudl be clean to but I'll check to make sure.
     
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    could it be the diaphragms in the carbs have some wrinkles that need worked out.
    demerits to you for not riding it enough :)
     
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    Yeah I spent too much time rebuilding the forks and the fornt brakes, then I had some trouble with the fuel supply and thought it was the carbs, pulled the carbs out and cleaned them, then realized my fuel line hold a bubble !

    I thought it could be the slides diaprhragms too , if so it should be a new issue because they looked good when I cleaned the carbs. I'll have to check that too later this fall when it gets too cold to ride.
     
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    Update: I had a look at the air filter this afternoon, it is super clean.

    Then I drained the carb bowls, and found a significant amount of tiny debris in fuel from carbs #1 and #2. It seems that the small bronze element inline filter doesn't perform well. Any suggestions for a small filter performing better filtration?
     
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    What about this model? It is supposedly reusable, just have to clean the paper element.
     
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    What's the problem with paper element filters?
     
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    I realize I prefer to be able to see through the filter. What about these paper elements filters with a small magnet in them to gather the metal particles? Gadget?
     
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    they can affect fuel flow and colapse. I think thats what being said about them. made for lawn mowers

    this one is 4 cyl motorcycle rated Primeline part number 7-02357

    if paper works for you then go with paper
     
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    Actually, I don't have any experience with paper filters, that's why i ask.
     

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