brake line issue

was working on putting new SS lines on today. Is one line I cannot get to mate up nicely at both ends without having to twist the line which is obviously no good. Anyone here with experience twisting the actual banjo fittings to overcome this? I've looked it up and read on it. Seems people do it plenty, just sounds sketchy.

https://twowheeljunkie.wordpress.co...ii-putting-the-pieces-back-on-the-motorcycle/

http://www.touratech-usa.com/media/fromoldsite/instl/instl_040-03XX_stahlflex.html

 

If you ordered a brake line for your specific bike then you should not have to twist it much as all. When I got mine I thought the one from the M/C to the junction box was wrong, but after a number of tries I finally found the proper position for it and it fit well.

If you have a generic line then you'll have to try the twist.

 

Lines came from Len. They are not the issue, they're beautiful. Why they wont fit correctly, after looking at enough seca's and the service manual, is that the yamaha master cylinder that came on my bike from previous owner is not the original seca MC.... so rather than having the outlet port from the MC facing forward, it faces horizontal, causing this fitment issue. As my MC is shot, can't identify it, and circlip horrendously stuck, I got an aftermarket MC. But it has the same port orientation as the one it's going to be replacing.... ugh.

 

Some lessons are learned hard.
But at least you figured it out!
Now you are faced with the 'next step'.

 

yes... either get diff master cylinder, versus twisting that fitting... suggestions?

 

does this mc look like it will work for you?

http://www.xjbikes.com/forums/threads/what-bike-does-this-master-cylinder-go-to.84775/

 

Yep, has forward facing port. Did you ever ID what that actually came off?

 

It is common to have to twist the banjo fillings on new lines. The people who make them know the proper length and fitting needed for the line but not the orientation. they leave that up to you. They tell you in the instructions you can turn the banjo fitting and also how to do it.
I have installed a good number of brake lines and most of them required turning the banjo.
Remember you can do it on new stainless braided lines but not on OEM rubber lines.

 

the procedure in those links seem reasonable to you then? Also the lines came from len and are made specific to these bikes, so had I had the proper MC... it would have been perfect.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brake-Maste...ash=item3f4d9cead6:g:Q2cAAOSw3ydVmivC&vxp=mtr

slow shipping

 

no - Kmoe thinks it is an xs 650. a lot of wires on the bottom. I will remove it today to get a better photo and see if the wiring has a id tag.

 

is there a differance between the seca and maxim mc ?

 

also the incorrect part. the port on that is horizontal, also the reservoir is not level like it needs to be.

 

yes

 

Cool, I may be interested if we can ID it and parts available to rebuild... and I guess would need to be sure piston bore is correct size

 

Yes they do. The first one even came with a special tool to help. It does not take much effort to turn the fittings.
Even if the lines were made specific to a bike they might need tweaking.

 

ask chacal if he suggests that procedure he sold you the product He would be the one to ask about the product.

 

messaged him now, ha

 

Not when you buy the lines from a man who knows how to make them for your bike. Some fittings are meant to be re-clocked, others are not.

 

When I got my lines , for some reason the packages were marked wrong. After talking to Len and sending pictures we determined the left and right sides needed to be flip flopped. Once I did that they fit perfect. Maybe you have them reversed like mine were. Careful note make sure the marked ends are in the right place also.

 

Did examine this possibility before posting. Again, the real issue is the orientation of the MC outlet port... The yamaha one that came with bike from PO is not the original and port faces horizontal rather than forward... so forced to twist the line to attempt fit... In contact with Len now regarding twisting the banjo to allow fit.

 

As K-moe said, some brake lines can be rotated--others can't. See these. However, since you have lines specifically made for your bike I would check with the manufacturer before trying any adjustment. I think I would try to find a M/C first.

https://spieglerusa.com/media/upload/file/Brake Line Mounting Instructions Web 2011.pdf

 

yes, I have seen. In contact with Len.

 

I have installed dozens of aftermarket brake line sets on just as many different bikes . All those are from well known and respected manufacturers. Yes sometimes the fittings need to be turned. Sometimes they get lucky and get them right but not every time. That's why they give you a special tool and instructions on how to properly twist them.
Yes some are meant to be turned and some are not. The lines the poster is using are meant to be turned if needed. This is a normal part of installing stainless brake lines. Just because your man got lucky on your set does not mean he did on all the others.

 

Ok cool, appreciate the input. Thanks.
Call me extra cautious in waiting on additional input from Len.

also... these lines did not come with tool or instructions on rotating the fittings.

 

Not all will come with a tool or instructions. If you ask the manufacturer they will tell you can turn them , just be careful. Its always good to be cautious if you are not sure.

 

after discussing with Len, he definitely advised against this which I can understand. The lines he provides are very specifically made for our bikes. Now I know other companies do this etc etc... But looking at the crimping on other ss lines versus the ones we get from Len, they are different. The lines from Len have a crimp and fitting just like the rubber lines, as opposed to galfers, speiglers etc which have a different crimp that appears conducive to rotating if needed. He said you have be able to rotate them very slightly but would likely result in damage.
-in the end... going to just get a MC with proper forward facing port. prob solved.