ignitor...

IT seems after all the work I done on my Xj550 project, still not finished by the way, that my ignitor box is screwed, anyone know if a box off a XJ650 or XJ750 will work, the one I have is a TID14-05 and the one I can get is a TID14-00 and also a TID14-06, what would be the difference?

any input would be appreciated
Thanks

 

How is it that you absolutely know, for sure, that the box is bad???

 

replaced everything else :roll: ..., first I have great spark, the bike starts then shuts off with no warning, I then test it and no spark, then after a while it starts to work again...with the key on and the bike not running, when I tap on the ignitor box lightly the spark plug sparks on it's own without cranking the engine, then all of a sudden it starts to work again for about 2 mins and then nothing, again. It's been very frustrating :evil: , with all the researching and reading I've been doing, all problems point to the ignitor...any of this making sense?

 

I know not of 550s, but would this be the same as the TCI module on the 650/750s? I had this same problem with mine (cutting out for no apparent reason), and on Dave Jack's web page (google for it -- it's hosted on Tripod) he went through the steps to replace the electrolytic capacitors and resolder all the joints. Worked for me and cost no more than $1 worth of parts, a can of circuit board sealant and a bottle of acetone.

 

There's a whole step-by-step procedure with photo's ... someplace. If anybody knows about re-soldering up an Ignitor ... it will be Robert. He's probably been there and back.

There are some aftermarket Ignitors for Yamaha that tip-toe around Patent by having short little pigtails to plug into ... rather than straight into the box.

They claim to be better made and offer a different advance curve and defy other laws of Physics in the name of performance.
But, one bold member asked for all the claims in writing ... and the Seller wouldn't do it.

Ebay seller.

 

Since I have a minute... I just replaced (again) my ignitor box. Here's a brief history. I drove myself insane trying to get my bike running after a total dis assembly and rebuild, including a custom harness. I thought I had mis wired it and tried repetedly to correct what I had fouled up. After all known components were tested good (coils, pick up coil, etc) I deduced that the ignitor was bad. I couldnt readily find the exact one available for what I wanted to pay, so I went to ebay searching... I found one reasonably priced, and was assured it would work on my 82 650 maxim. It wasnt the same model, but said from an 80 or 81 maxim, "it should work fine". Plugged it in, started right up. Cool. Go for a test drive, and between 2500-3200 rpm #2 and 3 werent firing. I'd rev it and it would be fine after it got above 3200, I thought I'd colortune and all would be well... I was WRONG. So after a few weeks of cursing, kicking and throwing things at it, I decided that the ignitor was NOT working correctly. I searched out another***CORRECT** ignitor, and it works perfectly. The weird thin is that the wrong one idles great, and is fine at higher rpms, but completely cuts out #2&3 at midrange. I know this because I revved it with the colortune plug in and the spark disappears through that range. The moral of the story----buy the right parts first and save yourself the headache.

The wrong one is type tid14-02 4h7-10 (black label)
The correct for my bike has a RED label (dont know the # off hand)

If you're looking for the black one, I'll send it to you for shipping cost ($5)

 

the one off my bike is TID14-05 4U8-10, blue lable, but I'll cross reference it with the dealer to see if it will work, I'll keep it in mind, thanks

 

From your description Low 1-5-0, it could very well be either the igniter or the pickups. Get in touch with another 550 buddy and have him/her over for a little wrenching party. Once you have plied him/her with ample quantities of mom's potato salad and tri-tip, ask them if you could try a little experiment. I'm fairly certain that substituting their parts will not hurt them nor your bike so swap away (with their permission of course). Parts swapping is not a bad idea provided the pickup coil resistance is EXACTLY the same as the original. Different numbers could be simply a different wiring/connector arrangement, but then it could be a resistance difference as well. If they are the same resistance, go for it. The idea of replacing the capacitors is a great idea if that is the problem. Another issue that can be addressed simultaneously is the occurrence of cracked solder joints. These will manifest themselves as an intermittent idle, loss of spark at speed, or out-right failure. Pop the cover off the unit and use a magnifying glass to physically verify the integrity of each solder joint, especially around the Integrated Circuit chip. Bottom line is you have nothing to loose and you very possibly will fix your machine. Fire up the soldering iron and reflow any of your connections that seem even the slightest bit odd. Be sure to use fresh flux (non-active only, active flux will corrode) and only get on the solder joint long enough for the solder to flow, don't dwell on it. You could thermally spike your chip. If you don't like the results, wait for it to cool and try it again after you've flowed a few other connections. Be sure to clean very thoroughly afterward with a quality alcohol or flux cleaner (some say water soluble, but I wouldn't trust the water to be totally removed). I'm betting you will find a few bad joints. If the creek don't rise, odds are good they will the problem and you will fix it easily. Best of luck on that problem, I expect to hear from you with good news (let us know even if it isn't, we'll drop back and punt). Worst case, and I can't verify it since I don't have my XJCD YET!, you verify the numbers and get a hold of the unit from Kevineleven and pop it in (provided the numbers cross).

 

This Ignitor part number 5G2-82305-10-00 fits these models:
XJ750RH Seca
XJ650J Maxim
XJ750J Maxim
XJ750RJ Seca
XJ650K Maxim
XJ750K Maxim
XJ750MK Midnight Maxim
XJ750RK Seca
XJ650L Maxim

This Ignitor part number 4U8-82305-10-00 fits these models:
XJ550H Maxim
XJ550J Maxim
XJ550K Maxim
XJ550RH Seca
XJ550RJ Seca
XJ550RK Seca