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Need help fixing timing! PLEASE!

Discussion in 'XJ Technical Chat' started by felicity_true, Nov 8, 2012.

  1. felicity_true

    felicity_true New Member

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    I finally got the bike to crank but it's not firing up, the sound it makes is clearly due to inaccurate timing.

    Where are the lobes suppose to be positioned for the intake and exhaust cam shafts? I lined up the "pips" on the sprocket to the cast arrows on the cam caps, but I may have gotten the positioning of the lobes wrong. I had the 1st cylinder intake lobe facing straight down and it's exhaust facing straight up. I need to know the correct positions for all the lobes on all the cylinders. Of course while the engine crank was set at "T"

    The starter and alternator are again working well. The spark plugs are sparking (I can hear them) but it's not firing up.

    PLEASE HELP! I'm frustrated, but a little relieved that I got this far.
     
  2. bigfitz52

    bigfitz52 Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    Duplicate posts won't help, the answer is the same.

    And the answer you need is in a service manual. Haynes OK, factory better.

    How long have you been at this now? You didn't need to pull the cams to set the valve clearances; if you had a service manual you would have known that.

    What needs to be explained to you requires pictures, diagrams, and step-by-step instructions.

    LIKE YOU FIND IN A SERVICE MANUAL. Get on eBay or get ahold of chacal, you can have a book in hand in 3 days. STOP until you do!

    Track down a book and set your cam timing correctly. Then re-check your valve clearances and do a compression test. And hope that you haven't bent a couple of valves screwing around without a book.

    Sorry, just being honest.
     
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    Bad thing is He might have already Bent one all it takes is one revolution in wrong spot and Bang done and Over. I have seen it too many times on car's when it happens.

    See what BigFitz is writing his advice is spot on.
     
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    You line up the marks on the CAM not the sprocket, with the crank at the "T" mark. And before you start any engine after cam removal, you should ALWAYS turn it over by hand. That way if there is any piston to valve clearance problems it will easy show its self with out damage USUALLY. And #1+++ on the manual. But hang in there, if you did bend the valve / valve's, heads are really easy to come by on eBay some times, and pretty cheap to boot.
    The favorite thing I like about wrenching on my own bike, is that you become intimate with it, and makes you appreciate it even more. If you have any Questions Just pm me, I have had torn my bike and engine down to the bare bones going on three times now. Just about able to do it in my sleep.
     
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    Thanks everyone. I found a manual online and finally got the timing right and triple checked three+ times until it was spot on.

    Gladly, none of the valves are bent and are functioning properly.

    However, it still will not start up. It sounds and looks like there is no fuel coming in. Carb re-sync perhaps? Would starter fluid help?
     
  6. mlew

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    You need to do a compresion test to prove you did not bend any valves. Can't tell from looking at them. Checking the valve clearences is also necessary. These XJ engines don't fare well when the cam timing is set wrong. It is quite possible there is a bent valve.
     
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    If there is problems with no fuel most likely you need to clean your carbs.
    and you can quickly see if the carbs themselves get fuel by opening the carb drains. (so it's not a faulty petcock)

    and as mlew said above, valves and compression need to be in order.
     
  8. bigfitz52

    bigfitz52 Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    There seems to be a consensus here...

    as mlew said, you can't tell from looking at them.

    DO THIS FIRST. Then if everything checks out, move on to servicing the carbs properly.
     

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