off topic: HHO

hey folks... I know this has nothing to do with bikes (yet), but...

We just installed a six-pack HHO (hydrogen/oxygen) generator in my buddy's 1986 Ford F150 truck. I think we've at least doubled the gas mileage. It used to get 10-11mpg, which amounted to about 100 miles per tank (10 US gal). right now, the odo. reads 95 miles, and the gauge is at about 2/3 mark.

The engine also ran cooler (I could put my hand on the intake and a valve cover after 70 miles ride at highway speeds).

I'll let you know for sure once he runs this tank dry, and post some pics as soon as I get a chance to snap some.

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I've been looking to do this. did you buy one off of ebay or something, or did you find plans to make one yourself. If you found plans somewhere good you give me a link.

 

i am working on building my own generator, but its been a slow process because i have NO spare time.

try using ammonia instead of water, you will get higher hydrogen yield for the same input amperage.

definatly post up results!

 

We built every bit from off-the-shelf parts. The only thing we had to order were (GASP!) plastic jar lids, because nobody local carries them.

There's a set of plans floating around called Water4Gas. We built ours by seeing some pictures and videos on youtube.. It's not rocket science...

Zookie, thanks for the tip! Pure ammonia or mixture with distilled water?

 

HHO? As in you're running your engine on water? Explain, if you wouldn't mind...

I know it's possible to get Hydrogen from water with a big enough electrical current, is that what you're talking about? But are you then just running the hydrogen into the engine? I can't imagine that working too well...

And the problem with generating hydrogen with electricity has always been that you'll spend more generating the electricity than you'll save by burning the hydrogen.

Or am I just misunderstanding what you're talking about?

 

Ok, this is what I gather so far (I'm not a chemist, and I'm not very good at physics):

On a typical car, you're only using about 25% of available energy from gasoline, because the combustion process is grossly inefficient. That's why you have to have a catalytic converter -- it breaks down the rest of unburned gasoline into elements that are more eco-friendly.

Somehow adding HHO to the fuel mixture increases the efficiency of the combustion process... Maybe in part because HHO itself is very powerful. We're not running strictly on hydrogen. It would not be possible to create enough volume of HHO on demand to run a motor. But, as a combustion "aid", a little goes a long way.

We do know first hand just how powerful HHO is.. Our first cell disintegrated itself with a little help from a lighter :mrgreen:

Right now our six-cell rig draws 7.6 amps. This is our first attempt, and there's always room for improvement.....

 

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n ... +generator

 

I have a friend who is sinking some time into this one. He went to a site called "runyourcarwithwater.com" or something to that effect. I'm no brain surgeon, but i was thinking along the same lines as 82XJ in thinking that we all prob seperated H and O in chemistry class in high school, and we all know hyd is flammable, but i thought the energy required to seperate it would offset the gas obtained. My friend has spend about 500 bucks on his, and is having trouble winding what he called a "tesla" coil, which is like a coil wound through a cylinder which i can see would be troublesome. This is very interesting, please post some pics!

 

electrolosys is what you are using to split the water molecules, H2O becomes H-H-O. very little electrical current is needed to make this happen, about 4 volts is all it takes. it does take some amps to get any significant gas production. depending on the generators efficiency and the type of electrolyte you use, 30 amps at 12 volts will get you anywhere from 2-5 liters per minute.

hydrogen is actually lower energy than gasoline, but the HHO you are burning is perfectly stoichiometric so there is zero waste, and the burn is very fast and hot.

this process is NOT energy efficient.....HOWEVER.....it can be $$$ economical $$$. the extra fuel you burn to create the amperage costs money and has more potential energy, but the fuel you save by burning HHO HOPEFULLY will outweigh that cost.

you can use pulse width modulation to adjust the amperage input/generator "throttle", also pwm is supposed to boost efficiency. there is a lot of info, some good some bad, start searching!

 

I bought the "run_a_car_on_water" stuff for $50. 117 pages.

The idea is the circuitry splits the water, and generates a magnetic resonance that also splits the water doubling your water splitting efficiency.
You must also burn gasoline (or diesel) and the HHO makes the fuel burn more completely in the cylinder. This gives a 40% improvement over the, supposedly, NINE PERCENT efficiency of a "normal" car.

XJBikes might be only 5% efficient, and don't have the reserve output to run an HHO generator. This is strictly car and truck stuff.

There's also a tie-in to "zero point energy" which puts this experiment in the "KOOK" category, so watch out for ruthless and undue criticism.

 

HHO / BROWNS GAS is a by-product of electrolysis. when making your generators uses high grade stainless steel as your plates and insulate them from eachother makeing half of them - the other half + ( the more plates the more current needed, but, output becomes greater DUH right?).submerse them in a plastic container with water then put some dc power to them an voila your making HHO/BROWNS GAS. now to harness it enclose your container and use a hose to go into what we call a bubbler. (another bottle filled with water that the hose goes into and has an output hose off the top) THIS IS FOR SAFETY!!!! KEEPS ANY FLASHBACK TO A MINIMUM!!! AND REALLY IT IS THAT EASY!!!

youtube does have many videos on the subject.

BTW this same process can be used to remove rust from your tank if ya ask me i would be more than happy to tell how.

 

WOW. Technology sure advances.

Back in the 70s when gas first got high you could buy devices to squirt water into the engine to make it run more efficiently.

Now you can use the alternator to split water into 2H2 + O2 and burn it in the cylinder to make 2H2O (water) to improve your combustion efficiency.

No more cumbersome pump!

Of course, you have the losses in the splitting process......

 

I have some pretty thorough plans if anyone is interested.
This one is called Hydrostar
PM your email address if interested. It's about a 5Mb pdf file, 93 pages

 

I have made a low amp hho generator. It is wired into my 1986 maxim xj700. it isn't a great gain, but i went from 50.1mpg to 66.8mpg.

 

you got pics of that wolf?

 

A friend did the same on his KLR, only his pulled more amps than his alternator was able to produce. He ended up running the battery flat. Got good mileage, though.

And that's the lesson here, folks. You can get some gains from HHO on your bikes, just make sure you're below your charging system's output threshhold (which IIRC is 19 Amps on most or our bikes). As a plus, the air box on these bikes is large enough to put a small electrolyser inside. Again, just watch your current draw.

On a side note, I've been experimenting with an electrolyzer design myself since about 2003. It's completely different from anything that's out there on the net. I found someone with a little extra money to help me out, and we have a new power supply coming next week for a new, larger scale test. If it's successful, this thing will hopefully produce a decent amount of hydrogen/oxygen from very little current. As I said, it's very different from what's already been done. Faraday will probably roll in his grave! 8)

 

when your battery charges it makes some H, might as well plumb that in there too

 

Well, here's the semi-official result on the 5.0L F-150 truck:

Mileage without HHO: 10-11mpg
Mileage with HHO: 17-18mpg

Current draw: 7.6 amps.

not an out-of-this world result, but still very noticeable. Next step: using 316L stainless plating for electrodes instead of wire.

We're building an electrolyzer for my Crown Vic next, to see how HHO will work in a more modern EFI system.

 

It may be "not out of this world", but you've increased your fuel mileage by over 75 percent. That's not too bad for 7.6 Amps. Not bad at all. I'd like to see pictures of your rig. Post 'em up.

 

How's everyone that requested the book liking it?

Any builds happening yet? Post up pics!!!