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turn signals light but dont flash

Discussion in 'XJ Technical Chat' started by newyorkasa, Jul 9, 2010.

  1. newyorkasa

    newyorkasa New Member

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    my turn signals did not flash I tried to buy a flasher but at $121.00 it was rediculiuse so I tried a three prong flasher at the auto store but nope that did not do it so I tried a plaine ole two prong flasher and sure as shit that did it but it only works on two of the three wires so you my have to plug it in and test it if that dont work turn it to lign up with the other wire and try again
     
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    I fitted a universal 2-terminal (around £6 gbp) relay in place of a faulty original and it works fine. Make sure you're leaving off the correct wire (the third one goes to the self-cancel relay - I think). If your flashers, and the warning light are lightin' up there can't be too much wrong. If they don't flash on and off then maybe the replacement unit has a fault?

    Nige
     
  3. RickCoMatic

    RickCoMatic Well-Known Member

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    Signal Lights that "Light, ... But don't flash" ... is the Number-1 Symptom for:'

    Alternator Brushes needing to be Replaced.

    Test Alternator Output:
    Measure Voltage at Battery w/ Bike at 2,250 rpm's.
    Battery Voltage should be: 14.2 -to- 14.5 Volts

    Measure Alternator Brushes.
    Inside the Alternator Cover:
    Brush Length: 10mm or less = Replace.
     
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    ooo, good one Rick, though I think Occam's razor of wrenching says he should buy a flasher relay for like $5 and if that doesn't do it he can investigate the alternator.
     
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    Metal_Bob Active Member

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    How is #1 symptom the alternator? (No I don't know much about blinker circuits).

    My Right Blinker won't blink and only the rear lights up. I haven't had a chance to check if PO rewired the replacement assembly wrong.
     
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    RickCoMatic Well-Known Member

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    Because most of the Blinkers put on these Bikes are STILL going strong.

    Bulbs that Light and don't Blink with the Other One not lighting.
    The One NOT Lighting ... Burned-out.
     
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    Actually I checked the bulb - Its new as is the assembly - PO probably replaced after it was dropped...

    That is why I want to check the wiring job he did. Loose wire perhaps? Crossed wire? Shorted wire on frame somewhere?
    My gas gauge is also flaky - some times it works sometimes it doesn't. So besides the eventual fuse box project I need to trace/check the lighting wires.
     
  8. RickCoMatic

    RickCoMatic Well-Known Member

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    Look in the Bulb Socket.

    Sometimes the "Spring-loaded" Base gets cock-eyed.
    Was greased.
    Is shorted at the back of the Mounting Stem.
     
  9. bigfitz52

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    Is corroded and all nasty but looks fine from the outside...

    With the stock flasher:

    The lights won't flash if the circuit for the affected side isn't drawing enough current to activate the flasher; ensure you have proper 27W bulbs installed. A lot of aftermarket signals come with 24W (marginal) or 18W (won't work) bulbs.

    A poor connection at the switch can also prevent the required current draw, as can a wiring or grounding issue anywhere.

    The flasher relay can also have its lid popped off and get a good cleaning out with contact cleaner if it is the culprit.
     
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    when i bought my bike the ride side didn't work. front lit up. back had a broken ground wire and didn't lite up.

    afterwards. the right turns was funky. blinking fast or not at all. electrical cleaner and she still has a problem but for the most part its working.

    turn signals work without running the engine. i tried a 3 prong relay once and got nuttn. ya'll will have to tell me what 2 prong relay was used and what 3rd wire to bypass. my cancell relay doesn't work anyways.
     
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    Mine did a similar thing when I got it. Cleaned bulbs, sockets, and the handlebar switch to no avail. Finally took the relay apart, cleaned it, and bent the arm holding the lever to adjust the gap and align it properly with the coil and all is well.

    Loren
     
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    Don't the lights blink even when the bike isn't running? With a fully charged battery the brushes wouldn't cause this, correct? I am asking blind because the blinkers on my bike don't work either, but I'm 99% sure it's my relay because it "clicks" once when you turn the lights on, but doesn't "unclick" until you turn them off. Its acting like the relay is jammed and doesn't properly cycle thru. They don't blink when my bike is running either.

    I just got a replacement relay but have not had a chance to get over to my buddy's house (where my bike is) to put it on.

    If they aren't supposed to blink when the bike isn't running, then my problem could be brushes, tho it does seem to charge the battery fine.

    BTC

     
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    They should flash even with the motor off, if you have a fully charged battery.

    AND everything else is up to snuff. Either you're not pulling enough current OR the relay is having problems.
     
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    I dropped my bike the other day (sitting on it trying to lay down and dumped it over like a dumb a@@). Tried to use the signals a little bit later and the light would only flash on ON the side I dropped it on.
    I just took the cover off and tapped on the socket, it started working again.
    Probably just a cockeyed socket as mentioned above.
     
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    Finally got my new battery and used TS relay on tonight, and I have working turn signals, woohoo! :)

    BTC
     
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    I just had the same problem with my right blinkers. The front right would stay on steady and the back right would not go on at all. I check the back bulb and it wasn't burned out. So I cleaned off the bulb and the socket that it gose into and it went right up. The weird part is it worked just yesterday but I drove over some gravel and that must of been just enough to push it over the line. So new people like me with this problem, make sure you cover your bases with the easy stuff first (Like making sure its clean) Before you tear into the wiring and whatnot.
     
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    The Basics needs to INCLUDE a Visual Inspection of the Alternator Brushes.

    The Alternator Brushes getting too short will cause the Charging System to be far less efficient.
    When the Brushes get worn-out ... they begin to Arc and scorch their "Paths" on the face of the Rotor.

    If the Rotor becomes burnt and pitted; it needs to be replaced.
    New ones are quite expensive.
    Used ones are becoming increasingly harder to find.

    This advice extends to Starter Motor Brushes; too.
    Replacing the Brushes BEFORE they reach a point where they damage the Commutator is Preventative Maintenance that will save you BIG Money over replacing a Burned-Up Starter.
     

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