Valve adjustment tool?

I was searching for stuff on Ebay, and I found this listing:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/yamaha-seca-...125-/351202404566?hash=item51c54b68d6&vxp=mtr
It says it's a valve shim tool, but it's not like the little ones I've seen before. It looks more like a spring perch adjuster for coil over suspension. Has anybody seen and\or used one like this, or is it a mistake on the part of seller?

 

Honda sells something similar but hav never used. I like using the zip tie method

 

the thing about the tool is if you do it wrong bad things can happen
with the zip tie.. no foul no harm
plus it is cheap and easy

 

I have one of those and they suck. I prefer the zip tie method.

FU

 

That tool is for the later machines (Xj600 and such). The zip Ty method has its faults too.

 

Every method has is pluses and minuses. Some people like the bolt-on bucket holder, some like the wire, some like the ziptie. I have two of the bucket holding tools, but I prefer the zip tie method. For me, the bucket tool is nothing but a pain in the neck. I can have most of the shims checked, Using the zip tie method, in the same amount of time it takes me to get the bucket to stay down far enough, using the tool, to check one shim.

 

I have only used the bolt on tool . . . Yeah it can be sketchy at times.
However i currently know every size shim that is installed, this last Sunday #1 Intake was tight. Only had to use the tool once.

Have to admit I wrestled with it a few times and suddenly a tiny voice in the back of my head was saying "a lot of guys use the zip tie, I think there is a large one in the basement . . . . maybe you should try it."

So, what exactly is "The Way of the Zip Tie Procedure"?

 

I think fitz did a write up on the zip tie method. I had it saved but I can't find it anymore. Maybe someone else can. I have the tool it took some practice to get it right but now it's pretty ez. I just changed out two shims a few weeks ago and things went smooth.

 

Pull the spark plug, open the valve, stick the zip-ty between the valve and the seat (double the ty up and tape it), rotate the cam 180º, remove the shim.
I really prefer to use a length of insulated 12gauge copper wire. There is a chance that a zip-ty will break after repeated uses, and the wire is easier to fish into place.

 

So any chances of bending a valve with the zip tie method? Seems a recent member went through that after using that process. At least with the Yamaha tool, you know you are very limited on both direction and amount of rotation.

Here is the link from Bigfitz52 on the zip tie:

http://www.xjbikes.com/forums/index...tment-part-2-the-tool-vs-ziptie-w-pics.29209/

 

I don't know of anyone that has bent a steel valve with a thin piece of plastic

 

if the valve can move side ways far enough to crack the valve stem seal, the valve guide is so shot your motor didn't run in the first place

 

How about rotating the motor too far in one direction causing the piston to hit the valve with the zip tie still in place?

Not totally conclusive, but one case of suspect after using the zip tie:

http://www.xjbikes.com/forums/index.php?threads/problems-after-valve-adjustment-thoughts.48389/page-2

http://www.xjbikes.com/forums/index.php?threads/need-some-82-xj1100j-exhaust-valves.48437/#post-430775

 

The bucket holding tool places the valve just as far into the combustion chamber as a zip-ty does.
You should only be turning the motor over in one direction.