White VIN labels

Does anyone know where you can get a replacement white VIN label for the neck of the XJ's? Mine is missing and would love to have a replacement.

 

Find a local print shop to print you a good adhesive weather proof custom sticker?

 

Your Federal Government would not approve of your plans........at all!

 

VIN label missing? I suspect foul play. Is the VIN # still stamped on the neck of the frame?

 

Yes, the VIN is stamped on the left side of the neck on the frame, no foul play. The white VIN tag was destroyed while repainting, just curious if there was the possibility of a replacement.

 

I don't see how it would be illegal IF the neck still has the VIN stamp, and you hold the title (and all match of course)....

 

That white label is bound to get destroyed if you do a ground up project. Most guys sand blast the frame and get them powder coated and start back up from there. There's not much you can do.

MN

 

I agree with chacal, the feds could get on your ass

 

OF the people. . . FOR the people. . . BY the people. . .

 

Psh, for some people more like

 

It's just like the tags on pillows: Do not remove under penalty of law!

 

I believe "replica" VIN labels can be had.

They just damn well better match what's stamped into the neck is all.

I wouldn't really worry about Federal enforcement for honestly replacing the VIN label as long as it's accurate. Actually I doubt the Fed gives one red you-know-what about the VIN label on a 30-year old Yamaha, accurate or not.

They won't kick in your door.

 

If the replica label is available I would use it and not loose any sleep.

I agree with Fitz, I don't think the feds would break your door down.

 

Quick pole:
How many of you have ACTUALLY seen someone (besides you) look at the VIN tag?
Fortunately I have yet to be pulled over (not that I didn't deserve it)....but at my last inspection had no VIN tag. NO PROBLEM
The inspection before I actually had the plate, insurance card, and registration from a different XJ700 and it still passed! That was an honest mistake from not transfering the paperwork when I finished getting the bike on the road but no-one noticed.

I have a friend that has been riding WITHOUT an inspection sticker or license for FOUR years (until a cop noticed him at a stop sign). The cop was just happy that his registration and insurance was up to date but gave him a ticket anyway

 

In Michigan we don't have vehicle inspections.

I got a "no points" speeding ticket this past summer; the cop (on a Harley) only took my license. I offered to pop the seat and get the registration/insurance (from the original "document holder") but he said don't bother.

A few years back, I got pulled over on the Norton by a State Trooper. He went over everything like it was a forensic investigation. The guy had a cow because the Norton DIDN'T HAVE a 17-digit VIN. (It has a 6-digit serial number; period. That's how IT IS.)

My point being, you can never tell or predict. Better to just pay a couple of $$ to be legal.

 

Quick pole answer.

Never had any one look at my VIN on any thing I own. If the plate matches the drivers licence and the address is the same. No further investigation by the cops.

So as long as your insurance card, Drivers licence and plates match up. I would bet 90+ % of law enforcement would not look at the VIN #. And as far as motorcycles go, the engine number either.

 

True. Except that ONE State Trooper who didn't get any last night and decides you're "shady."

 

That would fall into the -10% range. I know and I would never push it. But there are some that like to see how far the rope & noose goes.

 

Agreed. But I'm not a "biker" don't dress the part and am far from shady. The guy had a wild hair working, and you cannot predict that.

Better safe than screwed continues to be my point.

 

If you have a number's matching engine and stamping on frame, what would be the big deal about getting a replacement made by a local print shop as I suggested?

Something weather/fade proof with pressure sensitive adhesive?

Legal or not, it would have valid legal information.

My vin sticker is damaged and missing 1/2 the serial numbers, but all my numbers and PO's title matched (I even checked the checksum digit for my vin).

 

My pole answer - -
When I brought my Seca 900 in from North Carolina (E-Bay Winner),
The tag office clerk had to visually confirm the 17 digit white tag.

On a recent ticket, no double checking on the VIN, but he did need to see the registration. (no insurance in FL)

 

Just an update on the VIN tag replacement. After some very helpful assistance (who will remain annonymous), I was able to reproduce a VIN tag label that closely resembles the original which was destroyed when restoring and repainting the frame. *NOTE* The stamped VIN on the steering neck and the VIN tag are the same, I was just missing the white VIN tag label and wanted to replace it.

I used a permanent label, that I transferred the information from my VIN to the label (ie. build date, year, VIN#) and then took the label to have it laminated so it would be weatherproof. I will post a pic shortly, but it looks great. Took the bike to the local DMV and passed with flying colors (like it should). Title in hand and all is good. Thanks to all that contributed and I mean that sincerely.

 

That's clever, sort of like the guy on the History Channel that restores everything down to minute detail.

 

Rub some dirt into it, smear some oil on it, rub a bare spot into it......it'll look more original than the original. I've had more bikes that have:

-no tag anymore
-parts of it worn off
-numbers too faded to read
-tags match the frame but engine # is different (who cares, anyway... it was replaced)
-never been asked to look at tag, pulled over once....gave him my license, reg, ins.....he looked at it all, said, "SLOW DOWN!!!!!!!!!" and let me go. It did help that I was pulling into a cruise-in and he said he didn't want to create waves in front of 350 other bikers who bring business into the town every tuesday....


Dave

 

wheres MN-Maxims to throw in his Buzzkill?

 

Not sure what you mean by that Bill

I think that reproduction white vin labels are a great restoration part of the process.
Jamie I have to hand it to you to stick to your project and it would be nice to be able to make those available to others.
When I was in a classic car club we reproduced labels for the engine compartment. I know there are infringment laws and such but it sure was nice to see some fresh decals and labels under the hood. None of them had anything to do with serial numbers .
The only concern I would have would be the intent of use of the labels would be something to be thought out. You would not want to produce a label that could be used in an unlawful manner. Like change a number on a bike so to make it appear to be something its not. So verification of the numbers to be used would be a must. You know what I mean. Otherwise It will be nice to see a picture of your work. I could use a couple of those myself. If you want I could send you a picture of the frame necks and a partial copy of the titles to prove the correct numbers. Thanks for your hard work

MN

 

Now if only I could get an original "Replace With Vibration Proof Bulb" decal for the 650 Seca headlight shell...

Nice work.

BTW, with the proper documentation you can vintage VIN plate reproductions for cars; I don't think any laws were broken at all.

 

Just thought I'd show everyone the finished product. This worked perfectly and was pretty easy. Thanks go out to you know who you are. LOL

 

Did you get more than one printed and how much did you spend to have it reproduced? What material did they use? How long did it take? I'd be curious to know if they would make more for other bikes (should be a snap if they have the outline in the computer).

 

i would love to get a new 1 made for mine saves alout of time taping off and spraying around they never look right after you paint around them

 

how about a custom sticker with stuff like, where you bought it, price, mileage, paint codes, the bikes name (all bikes should have a name)
then put the vin, model, and DOM

 

The initial cost was the for the labels, have the format in my computer. Took approximately 5 minutes to produce and then laminate and apply. 10 minutes tops. Saved me some major work (stripping powdercoat, not to mention the tear-down time). Love it.

 

Can someone help me with where to purchase the labels and shoot me the template? I have some Yamaha LB50's and LB80's I'm working on rebuilding and VIN stickers all have some wear and I'd like to replace when I strip down the frames for painting. Thanks!

 

Chappy, you may want to see if they still do the stickers:

http://www.bdesigns.ca/Rubber_Samples.htm

I was thinking on doing mine on the ones that I'm painting the frames on.

Tony

 

I will probably be doing this on my XJ550 re-birth project. Frame-up with paint so the vin sticker is gonna have to go. I'll check the tube and verify but the bike was on the road back in 2011 so I don't suspect any issues. The current tag is in good shape so getting it remade shouldn't be too hard. Thanks for the info!

 

Gotta say after a year since I posted about this, it's coincidental that you mentioned having yours redone, because I went ahead and got mine done this week.

Waiting for it to arrive so I can get it mounted and post some before and after pics.

Tony

 

a person can go to jail for reproducing/counterfeiting vin tags or using the tags

 

Reproducing and replacing a damaged VIN sticker is not a criminal offense. Altering the frame stamping is. Altering or replacing a riveted-on metal VIN tag is also verboten (though there is a legal method of doing so, requiring contact with the DMV and lots of documentation).
The paper sticker is a convenience, and not the official record of the VIN (state laws may vary, as will the interpertation of such laws by DMV personnel).

 

As promised, before and after pics:






Even included the inspection sticker. Nice touch being it's a 750x built for the Canadian market that I imported.

Nothing illegal about a reprint of the original, but you will need a lot of documentation before Bdesigns will do yours.
BTW, it was around $59 US to have it done.

Tony