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1982 XJ550 Maxim rebuild

Discussion in 'XJ Technical Chat' started by Ryengoth, Mar 1, 2019.

  1. Ryengoth

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    I may be able to re-use the piston. The scarred sections are outside the bore stroke, just need to smooth them down and give the whole thing a polish. It's really not in that bad of shape.
     
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    Use Polock's method only if you do not like the ceiling in your shop.
     
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    actually you tighten the bleeder, add about a ounce of water in the banjo bolt hole and put a real bolt in it the put the whole thing on your wifes stove, set the burner to medium and get to a safe place. it's ok if you don't use the stove, anything that will boil the water you put in it.
    stand back, it gets extremely violent. the trick is finding the piston
     
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    Yeah, I have had plenty of close calls with stress testing on the shop press. I like my contained explosions on the range so will leave the steam pistons to you and your perforated stoves.
     
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    Have you ever shot an anvil? Same idea, but without gunpowder.
     
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    No but I have had fun with Tannerite. The legal limit is 100lbs. :)
     
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    Those look great and ready for the new kit to be installed. :)
     
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    After measuring the seal depths and the piston, there are too many rust pits and scratches near the pressure seal. Looks like it'll be a complete rebuild. Was hoping to avoid, but at least it will all be new components and ready for a new reliable life.

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    Ya that in a pinch could be used IMHO. I am guessing the parks on the left of the pic are from the removal process? The puck from this side does not look too bad besides the long marks. She was being eaten good by Mother Nature. As many have stated, if you will be doing another one of these bikes, a large grease gun works great. I did my last set that way, better than using compressed air, a little safer too.
     
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    Yes, vice grips and a piece of heavy pipe used to rotate the piston after torching it several times to free it up enough for it to slide at all. I seriously doubt a grease gun would have popped that one out. I had to crank on the vice too and ended up making marks in the caliper that I had to file down.
     
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    I doubted that method as well until I tired it. Pretty amazing how well it works.

    I'm enjoying your build, brings back memories when I started with a simple Powercoat/Paint rebuild and spiraled into rebuilding, painting, and polishing almost everything on the bike over 18 months. This motivated me to grab that new frame in the garage and drop it off for powder yesterday so I can get my project going.
     
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    More progress. Have a bunch of small parts that need ordering to finish up the motor and starter. Carbs are still in pieces. Saw a set on ebay, may grab them for parts. Picking up head bearings next so the triple tree can go back together and on the frame.

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    that's going to rust really fast with no chrome on the end. think maybe it's time to cut loose
     
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    huh?
     
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    Pack reinstalled with new springs. The pressure plate is free though. Is this normal or are the friction plates too thin? I measured them in spec, so dunno what is wrong. Ideas?

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    Pull it back apart and inspect. One of the plates is hung up. The stack should not have that gap, and should not protrude past the basket fingers.
    Make sure that the dots on the basket and pressure plate line up.
     
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    the spring washer makes that gap. I think the dots are off. will check it.
     
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    It was the plate alignment. thanks.
     
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    Well I guess the shop crane incident was not without casualties. Now I know where the pool of assembly lube came from.

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    On the plus side, oil pans are cheap.
     
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    10 bux shipped but it is fuuugly. gonna need a soak and wire wheel treatment
     
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    I could not find a diagram or video of a 550 starter rebuild but managed to get it all back in. The cap bearing and seal are not even shown on the OE exploded view. :rolleyes: Well it has new bearing and grease seal, case seals and o-ring. The brushes are fine so gonna keep the new quad-brush ring as a spare. Runs well! The brake cleaner I used to clean the magnets made it outside and destroyed my paint job. :mad: F-it.. It will stay that way.

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    Starter re-installed. Checked compression and have about 110-115 on all but #3 which barely made 25psi. Guess I got lucky on 3 of 4 with the head, valve and shim rebuild. Will see how out of spec #3 lobe shim is off soon. Got used carb set in and managed to salvage one body so far. I gambled and it almost did not pay off. I have some decent float bowls, floats and slides but the rest is crap. One of the carbs was actually broken at the diaphragm flange and held on with a tie wrap. I think I can salvage two more if I destroy the buttery fly shafts. The shaft seals are beyond crunchy so they gotta be replaced.
     
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    I said #2 at the end but meant #3, just to avoid any confusion. Lots of view of the engine fins while I fight with the compression tester but the pressures are shown.

     
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    Well the shim changes on #3 did not correct the issue. They were way out of spec. The compression went up to 60psi but leaked down. Looks like a ring issue or possibly a valve seat so it's gotta come back apart. Mixing heads, buckets, cams and shims is much fun. Good thing the 550 and 650 share the same shims and buckets. I have a pile of spare shims, but unfortunately they're all sizes I don't need.
     
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    The only thing I notice on #3 is that the bottom combustion ring may have been put on chamfer down. #4 had stuck rings and there are 2 vertical polish marks already. Jugs coming back off for honing again. Once again the idea of parting it all out seems tempting..
     
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    Been there. Not your exact situation but feeling exactly the way you do right now. Just keep at it. Take a day(or week, haha) off from it and then re-assess. You'll get there.
     
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    Welp, looks like new rings all around now. The hose clamp failed me on a couple more jug reseats, including the new rings on #4. :mad:

    This is turning into a damn money pit. I may have to part it out if any more major costs pop up. Best I can find is a set on Partzilla for OE STD at around 140.
     
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    Project is on hold. Will update when money allows.
     
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    Sorry to hear that. When you say they failed you, I am a little confuse. Did the rings get damaged as they were going into the sleeves? Did you oil down the inside of the sleeves before putting the pistons and rings in? Using a wide adjustable hose clamp seems to work great for most. I have also heard of folks using PVC pipe that is cut to size and split down one side.
     
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    Yes, they grabbed the lip of the sleeve when going in. The clamp did not compress the ring fully due to the bevel on the sleeve. Part of it poked out as it cleared the clamp and shifted to the side and moved out the land. I have to save up to get a full set of rings and 4 compressors to do it all again. I just ordered a new case gasket due to the new one getting torn during re-disassembly. The head gasket seems OK but I'm questioning the plastic coating on the bore seals and thinking maybe it was causing #3 to leak. I don't really want to spend another $160 on a head gasket either.
     
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    3 of 4 back together. Looks like I ended up with 3 right and one left bowl somehow. gotta paint that one now. Engine work has to wait until I can get rings and cylinder O-rings.

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    BTW, how do you get the top air jet out of the body? There's no way to push them up (the hole is tiny in the bore) and the inlet hole on the top of the carb is so small you can't even get a pick in it. I have new ones in the carb kits but can't figure out how to replace them. Drill them out and pull with pliers?
     
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    main air jet in throat of carb facing the airbox is non removable.
    Pilot air jet under diaphragm unscrews
    buy the correct screwdriver or a set of bits or grind down a screwdriver (you would have had to do this for the pilot jet)

    why would you want to replace the pilot air jet or main air jet anyways?
     

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    the pilot mixture screw is under a plug with a hole in it. one has no plug, one has a plug that is about 4mm below flush and the other two are flush. why would the kit come with new ones if I was not supposed the clean/adjust those screws and replace the o-rings? I just did not know if there was a trick to popping out the plugs.
     
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    for the pilot mixture screw plug (not an air jet) use a small drill bit to put a hole in the plug . be careful it is not that thick then use a drywall screw . screw it into the plug and pull it out.
     
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    Just reread the thread, did you verity all the jets on the carbs are the same. If someone drilled out one pilot screw and not the others, the jets might now match. I see you cleaned them in supper clean and simple green but I didn't see anything about the jets. Sense you have them apart and broke down, with my eyes now days my readers and a magnifying glass to see them little numbers.
     
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    This is the plug and mixture jet I am talking about. The screw controls the jet mix on the outer port of the venturi. It is not on any of the diagrams and the only time I see that screw is when the plugs are missing from the body.

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    Yes, I pulled the air jet, main fuel jet and idle fuel jets from 2 sets of carbs for a soak. They are all 120 air and 112.5 fuel. Most of the idle fuel jets were clogged solid. Had to clean them with a 3D printer nozzle drill that would fit.
     
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    That is the idle mixture screw.
    Remove the plugs, clean the passages, replace the -ring, reinstall at the baseline setting, and do not replace the plugs (the brass pucks in your kit), or replace with the rubber plugs that Chacal sells.
     
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    The screw trick worked great, thanks. The orings were flat plastic at this point so they needed to be replaced a while ago.

    Some new shiny screws here and there will finish it off. It is ready for wet set and bench sync at this point.

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    So, since things are on hold I'm working on other projects (customers mostly). Car audio, small engine repair, electronic gadgets, repairing old games and stuff is the norm. I'll try to get some video of some of the stuff I'm working on now like the Humvee swing arm install on the limo for the M249 pintle adapter. Gotta fab up something to attach it to the light bar on the cab roof. Hopefully I'll be back on the Xj550 engine soon.

    I dug up the 20mm Time-Sert shear test video I did on the rear sway bar adapters I designed for the Genesis Coupe. If you've ever wondered about strength of a Time-Sert in 6061 billet, here ya go:

     
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    The turn signal switch was acting up when I was testing the electrical re-install. I guess broken solder joints on the slider would cause problems. Went ahead and refreshed the wire contact joints on all the parts. Have to do the other half next and then toss some paint on the housing.

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    Just for reference, crimp connections are far less problematic than solder on parts that take a lot of vibration. The slider contact rivets might be copper that will accept a tin solder bond but as you can see the bonding is minimal. 18k miles and the solder came off cleanly leaving nothing on the rivet. Avoid soldering anything on a bike unless it is wire-to-wire for stranded wire.
     
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    very common problem Yamaha did not do very well soldering those wires from the start.. even though it says no clean clean the solder joint
     
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    I typically don't since it's not an acidic flux residue but due to the age of the board chunks I will.
     
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