quarantine thoughts

I think this was brought up before, as to whether the credibility of these people and organizations was a problem or not...……..


DOD Leak: Feds Investigate Dr. Birx and CDC Director Robert Redfield for Scientific Fraud & Misconduct; Fabricated and Falsified HIV / AIDS Vaccine Trials
https://truepundit.com/dod-leak-feds-investigated-birx-fabricated-falsified-hiv-aids-vaccine-trials

 

The political scientist should carry out unbiased research and check his sources as much as possible before reaching conclusions, but as soon as making money is involved that changes things. And in the current Coronavirus situation there is a lot of money to be made by corporations.

 

Yes Franz that is a great way to state it.

And what's this, oh my...…..:

Roseland Hospital phlebotomist: 30% of those tested have coronavirus antibody
https://chicagocitywire.com/stories...-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibody

Executive Summary:

"A phlebotomist working at Roseland Community Hospital (Chicago area) said Thursday that 30% to 50% of patients tested for the coronavirus have antibodies while only around 10% to 20% of those tested have the active virus.

Sumaya Owaynat, a phlebotomy technician, said she tests between 400 and 600 patients on an average day in the parking lot.....and said the number of patients coming through the testing center who appear to have already had coronavirus and gotten over it is far greater than those who currently have the disease."

If this is true...…..

"...then the spread of the virus may have been underway in the Roseland community - and the state and country as a whole - prior to the issuance of stay at home orders and widespread business closures in mid-March which have crippled the national economy".

Key Points:

Trump, Fauxci, Birx and the Governors all had that "real" data on cases and the negative slope for R-naught within five days of the original orders that closed bars and restaurants more than three weeks ago. That, of course, also makes all of the lockdowns a fraud and every day they continue from this day forward a crime greater than any ever committed by any government, save perhaps the genocides of Hitler, Pol Pot and similar.

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=238895
In point of fact I've pointed out since I started writing on this topic way back when the virus first hit the news that there was a very good chance that was the case -- that the back-calculations I've done say that this bug was not new in late January or early February, that it was here at least through the flu season and maybe well before that.

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And now it may be time to reflect on what's really going on, and this is where it may get really dark, really deep, and really dirty --- in fact, downright ugly. I won't comment on those issues, but for those who are interested in the "different levels of understanding" as one progresses thru the process of learning, there are resources and many dots that can be connected.....but I'll leave you with this:

- a while back (Spring / Summer 2019) there were a number of unexplained deaths in the Dominican Republic:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9397863/dominican-republic-deaths-latest-update

due to a "mystery disease" which featured.......you guessed it...…"basal bilateral pneumonia"......same as Covid-19:



- Also in the same time frame (Spring / Summer 2019), a number of people got sick due to "vaping illnesses", again presenting with the same symptoms:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...out-mysterious-vaping-linked-illnesses-deaths

"Many victims have ended up with acute respiratory distress syndrome, a life-threatening condition in which fluid builds up in the lungs and prevents the oxygen people’s bodies need to function from circulating in the bloodstream."


As the old saying goes, "once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action"…..

 

Man, a whole lot of speculating going on here...kinda like how a "social scientist" wants to trust a "reality tv-show" host's hunch about pandemics.

There's no conspiracies among scientists and medical professionals. This is pandemic is real, and even with taking measures it will be devastating. Spreading misinformation will only make it worse. There's a lot more money being lost right now than being gained, but if you have 1% of the population die in the next few months (if it's ONLY as bad as we currently know), it will be far more devastating.

Mysterious vaping illness? Seriously, you'll believe all kinds of conspiracy theories but can't find the explanation that people were putting oil (weed) based "juice" in a water (tobacco) based vape. How the FDA wasn't regulating vaping so it flew under the radar and got a bunch of people sick. Kinda sounds like the whole chloroquine non-sense from the same tv host. Science and medicine aren't easy.

Conspiracy theories and reality tv hosts aren't going to save you, or the economy from this. Viruses don't have political beliefs, morals, or agendas, they just infect hosts.

 

conspiracy theories how about it is being allowed to ravish the country to reduce the amount of people collecting SS and disability ssdi.
laughed when I heard that one

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

Run-of-the-mill researchers or workers, undoubtably not. High-level "professionals" (who steer and direct and can massage the direction of research and testing) are, at best, "administrators" from the managerial class and tend to be bureaucrats or "politicians" rather than technical experts, even if they have some experience in the field that they are overseeing.

A brief refresher, it may have been overlooked:

DOD Leak: Feds Investigate Dr. Birx and CDC Director Robert Redfield for Scientific Fraud & Misconduct; Fabricated and Falsified HIV / AIDS Vaccine Trials
https://truepundit.com/dod-leak-feds-investigated-birx-fabricated-falsified-hiv-aids-vaccine-trials

Tedros, the head of the World Health Organization:
https://www.opride.com/2017/05/11/case-director-general-candidate-tedros-adhanom


There's lots more out there, from varied (alternative and mainstream) sources, you'll have to do some research if you want to learn more. People in positions of great power and influence are not always angelic nor do-gooders.....

It depends on what the definition of devastating is, of course, but as of right now, there are "maybe" 18,000 deaths (I say maybe because of the questionable counting techniques):

https://twitter.com/chrisbergPOVNOW/status/1247680994821509121

and

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...ase/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy


and even if the number of deaths quadrupuled from this level, it would STILL be within the range of a normal flu season...….you know, the type where you don't shut the world down and bankrupt untold millions of people.

You hit the nail on the head! .. Now if we could get high officials and news media to stop doing just that, it would be better for all of us.

Yes, that would be a terrible result. That would be 3.3 million people in the USA (or 80 million worldwide), and I'm glad to say that it does not appear that we're going to even come anywhere near that amount. In fact, it may be that we get about 1-2% of that extraordinary "1% of the population" number(s)……...so that's .0001 of the population, almost a rounding error in the greater scheme of things. Much less than annual deaths due to medical errors in hospitals, which is now perhaps the 3rd leading cause of death:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/new...rs_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us

Actually, I just try and go on the data, and use that as a guide. According to the Anne Schuchat, CDC's principal deputy director (i.e. an administrator since 1998 ), the CDC found Vitamin E Acetate in 29 cases of the over 2600 cases investigated...….about 1% of the total...…..and thus concluded that was the cause (hmmm...…..).

Taiwanese and Japanese researchers (note: friendly countries) wrote to the CDC back in September of last year about these cases and suggested that the odd type of "bilateral pulmonary fibrosis" (cough, cough....) observed in these cases was possibly caused by a new and unknown type of coronaviruss, but the CDC felt that they, too, were merely conspiracy theorists (long before there was any need to engage in any conspiracies) and brushed them off...….as the CDC was sure it was due to something else and didn't want to discuss it further...…..

The FDA doesn't think it's nonsense, since they have approved trials to test it's effectiveness as a early-stage preventative or "prophylactic" treatment:

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020...ossible-treatments-for-covid-19-patients.html

Time will tell if it works, it's been used for a long time for various conditions, it has well-known risks (which means that its use can be tailored to individual situations), and it's cheap.

Exactly right, and that's why it's especially important to rely on DATA and VALIDATED HISTORY to tackle such issues rather than a simply getting all emotionally wrapped up in the "screaming Karens" of the world who appear to go thru life scared of their own shadows, and run around like the sky is falling over a virus that is sooooo dangerous that perhaps 50% of the people (the "Diamond Princess" cruise boat experience) who have it don't even develop any symptoms or even know that they've had it!……

 

Oh, let's add one more turd into the punch bowl:

https://greatgameindia.com/who-is-contaminating-coronavirus-testing-kits

In early March, 2020, a senior federal scientist in America and the country’s Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued shocking statements disclosing that the Atlanta laboratory of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) authorized to make the coronavirus testing kits was itself found to be contaminated. The background to this being that although the WHO had shipped its coronavirus testing kits worldwide to 57 other countries, the U.S. had decided to make its own.

Timothy Stenzel, the Director of the CDC office of In Vitro Diagnostics and Radiological Health, was sent to the Atlanta lab on Feb 22 to help coordinate the administration’s coronavirus response. Surprisingly, the test specialist was stopped at CDC’s door and made to wait overnight, two individuals with knowledge of the episode told POLITICO. The scientist was granted permission to be on campus only after senior health department officials ("bureaucrats") negotiated his access in a series of calls.

After the episode, Stenzel (a scientist) found evidence that the lab was contaminated with coronavirus and reported it to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). It is unclear which senior health officials ("bureaucrats"), at which agencies, knew about the CDC contamination and when they learned of them. HHS has convened a team of scientists from outside the CDC and launched an investigation into the matter.

"Contamination is one possible explanation but there are others, and I can’t comment on what is an ongoing investigation," Nancy Messonnier, director (i.e. a bureaucrat) of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters (reporters, who in their un-ending quest for the truth, have done exactly this amount of follow-up on this issue as of today: diddley-squat).

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I'm feeling pretty confident that the bureaucrats will release the results of their findings any day now, fully exonerating any and everyone of all responsibility, unless it was the janitor, with a candlestick, in the library who was at fault, and then heaven-help that poor schlubb……….

 

The Japanese people didn't believe in such motivations and agendas, either, until the deputy prime minister went off-script and removed all doubts:

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headli...se-official-urges-elderly-to-hurry-up-and-die

"At a government panel to discuss social security reforms, the former prime minister called the elderly who are unable to feed themselves "tube people", then proceeded to say the elderly should be allowed to "hurry up and die" to reduce the burden on a country tasked to pay for their medical expenses.


Of course, when it went public, he quickly pointed out that he was only talking about himself and his living will; why of course he would bring up his own will during a government panel about social security reforms, as is common in all such meetings...…..

Of course, some people (conspiracy theorists) noted that his "clarifications" might be a bit disingenuous, since in 2008, while still prime minister, Aso called the elderly a "feeble" group:

"Why should I have to pay taxes for people who just sit around and do nothing but eat and drink?" he said at the time.


Why indeed, minister?

 

The 1% dead refers to your "infect them all, let God sort em out" plan for "immunity." Around 1% of the infected population has died. Look at the numbers. 500,000 reported cases (probably 2-3 times that due to lack of testing and asymptomatic cases), and 18,000 dead. In a little over a month. Without social distancing over the past month, there would be far more.

That's also assuming that the fatality rate doesn't go up. Which it could, viruses mutate.

I think the thing you can't wrap your mind around is just how infectious COVID-19 really is. Studies out of China show it sheds 1000x more than SARS at its peak, and that peak is 2 days before symptoms (if there are any at all).

Further studies show that if you are going to die from infection, it will be 2-3 weeks after infection. So don't celebrate any jurisdiction's response too early. With an exponential increase in cases, and no awareness without testing, the impact won't be known until it's far too late.

As for chloroquine, there may be effectivity but at what dose? With what side effects? What's the lethal dose? You don't figure those things out running your mouth behind a podium. Already, people using it to treat auto immune disease are losing out because of rampant buying. Will you count them in your "rounding errors?"

Here's a short explanation why you shouldn't jump the gun on chloroquine.

 

Like it or not, that's always how life works.

Well, I don't think there's any real basis for claiming that number, especially since...……

This is probably true, so it's 1.5 million cases (and even that may be low), many of them by people who never know that they're sick...………

18,000 claimed to be dead, by the flu, but since the USA is now doing (officially, based on CDC guidelines!) what Italy is doing----fudging the numbers---well, who really knows (another problem with being a liar). It's despicable. Some might even claim that it's "deplorable".

In any exponential series of "events" (in this case, deaths), you would always, ALWAYS expect to see a huge spike just before the series collapses. You also saw the huge spike in number of CASES, right before it started collapsing....in both the lockdown/social-distancing areas, and in non-lockdown/non-social-distancing areas. Why would that be? BECUASE PEOPLE REFUSE TO LOOK AT THE DATA, and draw conclusions from that...………...so, either they are not scientists, they have another agenda, or both...……...

The DATA rolls in, showing that's not true; controlled experiments (as much as you can perform one in a messy, real-life situation, as opposed to in a laboratory) show otherwise.

Right again! Which is why you don't want Man trying to play God and "sorting them out" by artificially selecting for the more virulent strains of such a virus by doing everything possible to eliminate the relatively benign strain(s) of it. This has been understood formally since the time of Darwin, and by humans as a whole for a long, long time (the domestication of dogs is one common example)……..we should preferentially select for the most "tame" version of creatures to live amongst us, not the rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth killers.

It's very contagious, no doubt about that. So those who are in a weakened, vulnerable condition (health-wise) should isolate, or be isolated----there, that's a rational policy. Everyone else should be going about their business, getting infected, feeling a bit bad (or, not at all....), AND THUS PREFERENTIALLY SELECTING FOR THE BENIGN STRAIN AND DRIVING OUT THE VIRUENT STRAIN. This is Virology and Biology 101. Some "experts" seem to have slept thru that class.

Time will surely tell. Some folks seem to almost be rooting for the disease to be as destructive as possible...…...why is that?

What's this "impact" that you speak of, paleface? That people are going to get sick and die? How many times does it have to be repeated: people get sick and DIE from seasonal "flu"ALL. THE. TIME. This happens every day, of every year, going back as far as humans have kept records (Sumer, 3000 BC) and, I'll wager, way before that, too. Once again: what's the goal? To eliminate illness? To "defeat" death? To deny nature? To blindly ignore data and reality in this, the age of information?

Some of those attributes are already known, as HCQ has been in somewhat wide use for over 50 years. People with lupus, malaria, and RA----the other 3 "main" uses for HCQ---are not in imminent threat of immediate death if they miss some doses, and the ramp-up of production of this drug is a rather straightforward process.....unlike waiting 12-18 months for some other solution to be found. Maybe it will work, maybe not. If it was you that was very sick, and facing "the vent", would you just wave it off and say "no thanks, I'll take my chance with almost assured death"?

I didn't think so.....

Ahh, the big reveal, as it's called in the entertainment biz. Also known as "another agenda", perhaps? You don't like the guy in charge, so everything he says is, by definition, wrong. I remember Nancy Pelosi (now there's someone with an interesting history...…) and a whole bunch of others going into absolute apoplexy over the earlier travel ban from China; she went down to Chinatown and encouraged people to mingle with them. Same in Italy; in order to prove to the world their "wokeness", and non-racist mindset, they had a "Hug A Chinese Person" day back when all this started. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, except it defeats the stated goal of preventing the spread of a virus that "some people" just "can't wrap their mind around just how infectious COVID-19 really is."

But of course, in a way you're right, and I agree with you. Fauci and Brix, two political hacks, should control themselves and zipper their yaps and try, just for a few moments a day--- while they're up on that same podium--- to do some science instead of doing "feelings" and fear-mongering.

Or as a real expert recently said: "I don't work for the government, so I'm actually able to practice science".

 

here's the real story
Chang'e 4 is a robotic spacecraft mission, part of the second phase of the Chinese Lunar Exploration Program. It achieved humanity's first soft landing on the far side of the Moon, on 3 January 2019.
ONE YEAR LATER......
A pneumonia of unknown cause detected in Wuhan, China was first reported to the WHO Country Office in China on 31 December 2019.
A communication relay satellite, Queqiao, was first launched to a halo orbit near the Earth–Moon L2 point in May 2018.
THREE MONTHS AFTER SPACE X THREW A CAR AT MARS
The robotic lander and Yutu-2 were launched on 7 December 2018
EXACTLY 79 YEARS AFTER PEARL HARBOR
and entered lunar orbit on 12 December 2018, before landing on the Moon's far side.
DISCOVERING THAT THE MARTIANS ARE USING OUR MOON AS A HAZARDOUS WASTE DUMP
The mission is the follow-up to Chang'e 3, the first Chinese landing on the Moon.
TRUMP CREATES THE US SPACE FORCE....NOW YOU KNOW WHY!
The spacecraft was originally built as a backup for Chang'e 3, The configuration of Chang'e 4 was adjusted to meet new scientific and performance objectives
SEND BACK SAMPLES
Like its predecessors, the mission is named after Chang'e, the Chinese Moon goddess.
The landing site in Von Kármán crater has symbolic as well as scientific value.
Theodore von Kármán (1881-1963)DESIGNER OF THE KARMAN GIA AND POSSABLE X-NAZI
was the PhD adviser of Qian Xuesen, the founder of the Chinese space WEAPON program.
IF WE LISTEN TO PINK FLOYD, DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, BACKWARDS WE'LL FIND ALL OUR ANSWERS

 

Chacal, excellent video thanks for finding that one. Not at all surprising.
Simmy, "I think everyone needs to see that 1st video @chacal referenced "Perspectives on the Pandemic"
The world likely made a very big mistake in their handling of this."
I think that it was NOT by mistake, that's the difference, it was by design and on purpose.
I do not have a hard time accepting that might be from natural causes, but the world wide reaction to it
is a put up job, rife with agenda and politics of control.
When nothing makes any sense, you must make sense of it. Untie the Gordian knot, solve the riddle.
Cheers, 50gary

 

Yes, Franz Liszt, easily my favorite. Do you listen to / watch Valentina Listsa playing Franz Liszt? She plays all four of the "unplayables" Valentinas incomparable, some say she's not only the greatest living pianist
but possibly the greatest of all time?
Cheers, 50gary

 

She is a wonderful pianist Gary l watched her playing one of the Hungarian Rhapsodies and she was smiling no wonder she is a pianistic genuis. I like pianists, Martha Argerich, Christian Zimmerman, Emil Giles. Artur Rubenstein said Giles was a genius. I love Chopin's compositions too. He was as someone once said the poet of the Piano. Music is the international language. Opera l love that too. Chopin was influenced by Bel Canto the female voice l believe. He said the left hand is the conductor the right can be free. I have been to his grave in Pere Lachaise (not sure if l spelled that correctly). One day l want to go to Zelawola Wola his birthplace.

Liszt did a concert tour of Europe to raise money for Beethoven's tombstone.

All the best

Franz

 

This is the exact insight and attitude that leads to truth...….even if the truth isn't going to be neat, tidy, nor pretty.

But at least you can be prepared for it and keep yourself and those important to you safe (or at least, safer).

"that leads to truth...…" Maybe there is no way to keep safe.

Maybe this is a fight to the finish.

Coronavirus Bioweapon or an Accident of Nature??

I have an extremely hard time believing that it's natural. If you have the interest, read the book by Jennifer Doudna "A Crack in Creation", about the development of the CRISPR gene-editing technology that she helped develop, usher in, and promote. I was excited about learning more about this very interesting, world-changing technology and what it means; instead you get a half-assed, self-serving "feelz" that by the time you get through with it, reveals a pretty, slender, smiling, proud, arrogant, self-centered, control-freak MONSTER of the Nth degree. And while out of one side of her mouth she "worries about how this science might be abused", on the next page she lays out her hopes and dreams and plans for how to use this incredibly-powerful process to bend the world to her viewpoints and will...……

P.S.: she's not alone.

Partly, there are always opportunistic bottom feeders and predators that pounce upon the weak, the wounded.

Or there's something that they aren't telling us

ALL politics are about control:

British police threaten to check items people buy in supermarkets for “non-essential” food.
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/uk-police-threat-to-shoppers


Police to verify Canadians complying with quarantine order, RCMP says.....warning that “recklessly” failing to comply could result in a $1-million fine and three years in prison.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6804626/coronavirus-police-verifying-quarantine-order


Covid-19 Lockdowns Are What Twenty-first Century Mob Rule Looks Like
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/covid-19-lockdowns-are-what-twenty-first-century-mob-rule-looks


Bill Gates Crosses the Digital Rubicon, Says ‘Mass Gatherings’ May Not Return Without Global Vaccine
https://www.strategic-culture.org/n...herings-may-not-return-without-global-vaccine


Vermont Bans Retailers Selling Seeds, Deemed Unessential As Millions Struggle To Find Food In The US
https://thephaser.com/2020/04/vermont-bans-retailers-selling-seeds-deemed-unessential/


'Our rights don’t come from authority’: Pastor slams Mississippi mayor after police break up drive-in service
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-mayor-after-police-break-up-drive-in-service


Kentucky governor....tracking license plates of Easter church attendees
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ing-license-plates-of-easter-church-attendees[/i]

 

Some people will do anything and those in power have the opportunity and technology. As Hannah Arendt wrote about Eichmann he was 'frightenly normal and there were so many like him'. Sometimes I think this planet is an asylum in space, I don't mean everyone is crazy but what would intelligent life think of the way our world works assuming they do things differently? Look at all the conflicts over scarce resources, ideologies and now this Coronavirus. After the Nazi's and there are many earlier examples, but the Nazi's industrialised murder. Those in power will do anything to advance their cause as history proves.

 

You are right Gary she has a great memory and technical prowess and two versions of the same piece can confuse. Glen Gould was great Bach exponent heard him playing the Preludes and Fugues. That is a beautiful area of Scotland your mother's family are from, the Isle of Skye.

All the best

Franz